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U2’s Bono interview about Christ


Okay….so I am always on the lookout for how celebrities describe their faith.  I find it interesting.  9 times out of 10 they end up creating a God that does not exist in the Bible.  Then along comes this excerpt from a book where Bono from U2 is being interviewed about his faith.  Actually the interview is from September 2010…but never the less it is an incredible read.  The following excerpt is from the poached egg and can be found at this link.

Christians in a rock band?

 

Bono: My understanding of the Scriptures has been made simple by the person of Christ. Christ teaches that God is love. What does that mean? What it means for me: a study of the life of Christ. Love here describes itself as a child born in straw poverty, the most vulnerable situation of all, without honor. I don’t let my religious world get too complicated. I just kind of go: Well, I think I know what God is. God is love, and as much as I respond [sighs] in allowing myself to be transformed by that love and acting in that love, that’s my religion. Where things get complicated for me, is when I try to live this love. Now that’s not so easy.

Assayas: What about the God of the Old Testament? He wasn’t so “peace and love”?

Bono: There’s nothing hippie about my picture of Christ. The Gospels paint a picture of a very demanding, sometimes divisive love, but love it is. I accept the Old Testament as more of an action movie: blood, car chases, evacuations, a lot of special effects, seas dividing, mass murder, adultery. The children of God are running amok, wayward. Maybe that’s why they’re so relatable. But the way we would see it, those of us who are trying to figure out our Christian conundrum, is that the God of the Old Testament is like the journey from stern father to friend. When you’re a child, you need clear directions and some strict rules. But with Christ, we have access in a one-to-one relationship, for, as in the Old Testament, it was more one of worship and awe, a vertical relationship. The New Testament, on the other hand, we look across at a Jesus who looks familiar, horizontal. The combination is what makes the Cross.

Assayas: Speaking of bloody action movies, we were talking about South and Central America last time. The Jesuit priests arrived there with the gospel in one hand and a rifle in the other.

Bono: I know, I know. Religion can be the enemy of God. It’s often what happens when God, like Elvis, has left the building. [laughs] A list of instructions where there was once conviction; dogma where once people just did it; a congregation led by a man where once they were led by the Holy Spirit. Discipline replacing discipleship. Why are you chuckling?

Assayas: I was wondering if you said all of that to the Pope the day you met him.

Bono: Let’s not get too hard on the Holy Roman Church here. The Church has its problems, but the older I get, the more comfort I find there. The physical experience of being in a crowd of largely humble people, heads bowed, murmuring prayers, stories told in stained-glass windows

Assayas: So you won’t be critical.

Bono: No, I can be critical, especially on the topic of contraception. But when I meet someone like Sister Benedicta and see her work with AIDS orphans in Addis Ababa, or Sister Ann doing the same in Malawi, or Father Jack Fenukan and his group Concern all over Africa, when I meet priests and nuns tending to the sick and the poor and giving up much easier lives to do so, I surrender a little easier.

Assayas: But you met the man himself. Was it a great experience?

Bono: [W]e all knew why we were there. The Pontiff was about to make an important statement about the inhumanity and injustice of poor countries spending so much of their national income paying back old loans to rich countries. Serious business. He was fighting hard against his Parkinson’s. It was clearly an act of will for him to be there. I was oddly moved by his humility, and then by the incredible speech he made, even if it was in whispers. During the preamble, he seemed to be staring at me. I wondered. Was it the fact that I was wearing my blue fly-shades? So I took them off in case I was causing some offense. When I was introduced to him, he was still staring at them. He kept looking at them in my hand, so I offered them to him as a gift in return for the rosary he had just given me.

Assayas: Didn’t he put them on?

Bono: Not only did he put them on, he smiled the wickedest grin you could ever imagine. He was a comedian. His sense of humor was completely intact. Flashbulbs popped, and I thought: “Wow! The Drop the Debt campaign will have the Pope in my glasses on the front page of every newspaper.”

Assayas: I don’t remember seeing that photograph anywhere, though.

Bono: Nor did we. It seems his courtiers did not have the same sense of humor. Fair enough. I guess they could see the T-shirts.

Later in the conversation:
Assayas: I think I am beginning to understand religion because I have started acting and thinking like a father. What do you make of that?

Bono: Yes, I think that’s normal. It’s a mind-blowing concept that the God who created the universe might be looking for company, a real relationship with people, but the thing that keeps me on my knees is the difference between Grace and Karma.

Assayas: I haven’t heard you talk about that.

Bono: I really believe we’ve moved out of the realm of Karma into one of Grace.

Assayas: Well, that doesn’t make it clearer for me.

Bono: You see, at the center of all religions is the idea of Karma. You know, what you put out comes back to you: an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, or in physics; in physical laws every action is met by an equal or an opposite one. It’s clear to me that Karma is at the very heart of the universe. I’m absolutely sure of it. And yet, along comes this idea called Grace to upend all that “as you reap, so you will sow” stuff. Grace defies reason and logic. Love interrupts, if you like, the consequences of your actions, which in my case is very good news indeed, because I’ve done a lot of stupid stuff.

Assayas: I’d be interested to hear that.

Bono: That’s between me and God. But I’d be in big trouble if Karma was going to finally be my judge. I’d be in deep s—. It doesn’t excuse my mistakes, but I’m holding out for Grace. I’m holding out that Jesus took my sins onto the Cross, because I know who I am, and I hope I don’t have to depend on my own religiosity.

Assayas: The Son of God who takes away the sins of the world. I wish I could believe in that.

Bono: But I love the idea of the Sacrificial Lamb. I love the idea that God says: Look, you cretins, there are certain results to the way we are, to selfishness, and there’s a mortality as part of your very sinful nature, and, let’s face it, you’re not living a very good life, are you? There are consequences to actions. The point of the death of Christ is that Christ took on the sins of the world, so that what we put out did not come back to us, and that our sinful nature does not reap the obvious death. That’s the point. It should keep us humbled . It’s not our own good works that get us through the gates of heaven.

Assayas: That’s a great idea, no denying it. Such great hope is wonderful, even though it’s close to lunacy, in my view. Christ has his rank among the world’s great thinkers. But Son of God, isn’t that farfetched?

Bono: No, it’s not farfetched to me. Look, the secular response to the Christ story always goes like this: he was a great prophet, obviously a very interesting guy, had a lot to say along the lines of other great prophets, be they Elijah, Muhammad, Buddha, or Confucius. But actually Christ doesn’t allow you that. He doesn’t let you off that hook. Christ says: No. I’m not saying I’m a teacher, don’t call me teacher. I’m not saying I’m a prophet. I’m saying: “I’m the Messiah.” I’m saying: “I am God incarnate.” And people say: No, no, please, just be a prophet. A prophet, we can take. You’re a bit eccentric. We’ve had John the Baptist eating locusts and wild honey, we can handle that. But don’t mention the “M” word! Because, you know, we’re gonna have to crucify you. And he goes: No, no. I know you’re expecting me to come back with an army, and set you free from these creeps, but actually I am the Messiah. At this point, everyone starts staring at their shoes, and says: Oh, my God, he’s gonna keep saying this. So what you’re left with is: either Christ was who He said He was the Messiah or a complete nutcase. I mean, we’re talking nutcase on the level of Charles Manson. This man was like some of the people we’ve been talking about earlier. This man was strapping himself to a bomb, and had “King of the Jews” on his head, and, as they were putting him up on the Cross, was going: OK, martyrdom, here we go. Bring on the pain! I can take it. I’m not joking here. The idea that the entire course of civilization for over half of the globe could have its fate changed and turned upside-down by a nutcase, for me, that’s farfetched

Bono later says it all comes down to how we regard Jesus:

Bono: If only we could be a bit more like Him, the world would be transformed. When I look at the Cross of Christ, what I see up there is all my s— and everybody else’s. So I ask myself a question a lot of people have asked: Who is this man? And was He who He said He was, or was He just a religious nut? And there it is, and that’s the question. And no one can talk you into it or out of it.

250 responses to “U2’s Bono interview about Christ

  1. Jay Emory February 24, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Enjoyed that! U2 always has been a favorite of mine. I appreciate Bono’s candor and “straight up” comments. Who can argue with that? Thanks for posting.

    • kcbob February 24, 2011 at 5:11 pm

      What struck me was the way he handled the apologetics side of….that is a very polished argument about Christ either being Lord or Lunatic, but not a good “prophet”.

      • Jacob B June 11, 2013 at 1:00 pm

        I have heard ‘liar’ thrown in there as well, but who would take a lie to their death?

      • Robert Eshleman June 11, 2013 at 1:49 pm

        Great question Jacob.

        As a matter of fact this is a critical question regarding Christ. I wrote a post on this very question.

        http://noapologizing.wordpress.com/2010/05/14/would-you-die-for-a-lie/

      • Andy June 11, 2013 at 2:19 pm

        The “Liar, Lunatic, or Lord” quote is from C. S. Lewis, who posited the same ultimatum. Either Jesus is a “nutcase,” or he’s a liar of the worst evil sort, or he’s exactly who he claims to be. It just can’t go any other way…He said he was the Christ, the Messiah. It’s up to you to believe that claim or not. But if you don’t believe it, then he’s either a liar or a lunatic, and why would you give him the “great prophet” label? Some sort of consolation prize??

      • Fletch June 13, 2013 at 1:59 am

        Not an original argument. C.S. Lewis postulated that Jesus was one of three things: Exactly who He says He is, a liar, or a lunatic.

      • Lesley June 13, 2013 at 5:28 am

        That’s so true, and an argument we can all use. Andy, you’re right, it was C S Lewis who coined the “mad, bad or Son of God” argument, so simple and one we can learn from. Logically he had to be the Son of God because neither mad nor bad fit. If he was mad or bad, no-one now would remember him, or experience the Holy Spirit in the way we do. Thanks for posting.

      • Tim June 13, 2013 at 10:04 am

        Of course, the Lunatic, Liar, or Lord discussion ignores the option that the Bible isn’t wholly accurate. If the Bible is infallible, then Jesus was one of the 3 L’s. If it’s not infallible, then someone else is the liar, not Jesus.

      • Sally Ann June 13, 2013 at 10:31 am

        that’s straight out of CS Lewis! “Jesus didn’t give us the option of him being just a good man. He has to be either a madman, a liar or who he says he is” ;-)

    • Nicole June 24, 2013 at 1:24 pm

      I think it is well said. A “nutcase” would not have such a huge impact on world thought.

  2. chris December 11, 2011 at 11:56 am

    The longer that I’m a Christian, the more I see that today’s brand of consumer Christianity, life in a building on Sunday being fed the line that Jesus is basically our genie in a bottle and not stepping out beyond the four walls to go be a light to the world, the more I agree with him. As a young Christian playing church, I would cringe when Bono would make these types of remarks, but now, as I have matured, I I see the wisdom of making it less about “church” and making it more about relationships. Our local church should occupy less than 5% of our time, a placed to get equipeed, then move it into the world.

    • Patricia Strefling June 11, 2013 at 11:29 am

      Totally agree Chris…I was the same way, but not any more…religion and church sitting will not move the hearts of the souls God is setting right before us…move out into the world…just like you said! Love it!

    • desiree June 11, 2013 at 2:07 pm

      I am right there with you, Chris.

      • Margaret June 12, 2013 at 6:45 am

        I believe in carrying Christ out into the world. But I never forget that our God wants us to worship Him every Sunday, as it is stated in the commandments. If you worship Him, you are closer to Him and can bring Him to others in a way you cannot if you are on your own and do not spend time with Him. Mass is a great way to focus on the Lord, to worship and reset your purpose for the new week.

    • Mark June 12, 2013 at 9:28 am

      Christ created “the church”. A place where all the parts of “the body of Christ” goes to worship Christ and grow in our faith. It’s interesting (and sad) that you have relegated it to 5%.

      • Abe June 12, 2013 at 11:09 am

        Don’t want to start a classic forum debate, just want to clarify an idea. The “body of Christ”, as you put in parenthesis, is not what meets in a building on Sundays. It’s what strives to live together and further the Gospel by living it out and presenting it to people in their lives. The church, as I believe Christ created it to be, is not a refuge to retreat to once or twice a week. It should have deep community no doubt. But it’s a launch pad for us to bring life to the communities, and world, that we live in. We’re called to redeem the world around us, not pull out of it.

      • Ronald J. Burbank June 12, 2013 at 11:17 am

        Mark, Jesus did indeed create the Church, but the Church is not a place we go. The Church is the “Body (Bride) of Christ.” It is composed of all the Believers. The Church assembles regularly to worship.

    • George June 12, 2013 at 11:53 am

      Hi have to disagree with Chris, though I do consider the church to have been designed for more than simply equip Christians.

      Ideally: It is a place to worship our most high God. It is a place of instruction and the center for discipleship. It is a place for believers to get to know, trust, and work together with other believers as a community. It is a place where people can together do more and become more than simply the sum of its parts in the local community and for God’s work. It inspires and motivates. It is a refuge, a place of quiet introspection and tool for change. It is a force to band believers together to assist each other in times of crisis (essentially a coordination focal point). I could go on and on, but you get the idea. As such, these things should take up far more than 5% of our lives.

      To coop a phrase from JFK, it really shouldn’t be about what church can do for us, but what we can do through the church. Church is exactly what we make of it. Unfortunately, many people simply miss out on the biggest purposes and potential of what Christ created.

      I’m not suggesting that church then takes the place of what we should be doing on our own. Individual performance in any area from sports to work to church is just as important as what we accomplish as a team.

      • Robert Eshleman June 12, 2013 at 12:01 pm

        George to add to that James makes this point as well:

        14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good[a] is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

        18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.

      • Nish June 12, 2013 at 1:29 pm

        I totally agree with you George 100%….If we think everything can be done from within the church then we will feel the need to not be in church when we don’t see results. I really think many christians don’t understand the true essence of the church and that is why sooooo many believers don’t go or stop going.

    • Linda Jorde June 13, 2013 at 7:08 am

      I couldn’t agree more Chris. Much of the Church that I have experienced hides inside the church building & are out of touch with the issues of the day.. more importantly, they are out of touch with the people behind those issues. But, I see that starting to change and I am encouraged.

    • Deb4joy June 13, 2013 at 9:30 am

      At our church we sing a song chorus….what we do in here, let us take out there! That is the way….otherwise you become a self-centered church instead of a Christ- centered church. It’s all about Him, after all

    • Char June 13, 2013 at 10:24 am

      “Church” is the Body of Christ–not a building. We are called to serve, fellowship, and worship through and within the Body. It seems that abandoning “church” is abandoning the Body; and an arbitrary <5% seems to remove the emphasis from God, and place it back on ourselves…

  3. bnwworship March 17, 2012 at 4:55 am

    I have always liked this interview, but it is from the book Bono: In Conversation with Michka Assayas and was published in 2005.

  4. winslow hancock August 13, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    I’ve always loved the story of Bono lobbying Jesse Helms for support of the Ryan White Care Act at a D.C. cocktail party in the early 90’s. Helms had adamantly opposed spending public money to help homosexuals “avoid the consequences of their immoral lifestyle” (not a direct quote). Bono quoted bible verse (Matthew 25) to the Senator: “even as ye do it unto the least of these my brethren, ye do it unto me.” Helms changed his mind and the Care Act was passed.

    • Aine June 19, 2013 at 7:59 pm

      its a nice story, but since when are our gay brothers and sisters ‘the least of these my brethren”?

      • tracey June 26, 2013 at 8:38 am

        “The least of these” is not implying that one of us is “less than” another, it refers to anyone in need, and commands mercy for them.

  5. Kara September 29, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    I love this interview! Thanks for sharing it.

  6. Long Term Investments October 29, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    That is what defines Christianity from all other religions – 1) by believing that Jesus is the Son of God. Salvation is a Free and Eternal. Not by works or self sacrifice. Jesus paid the price, so we don’t have to. 2) Revelation – no other religion tells you of the things that will be.

    • Jackie June 12, 2013 at 10:56 am

      3) Jesus Christ rose from the dead and is alive today. Buddha, Mohammad, Confucius, and anyone else who ever tried to start a religion are all dead.

      • Gideon June 20, 2013 at 2:06 am

        I’m not a member of this board or a Christian, but a friend sent me this link and I found reading it worthwhile and informative. I was reading the comments and thought I should respond to this one and clarify that Buddha is alive, or to be more precise, that there are (always) living Buddhas. There is no singular “Buddha” … while Siddhartha Gautama is the historical Buddha, whose teachings are often referenced, Buddhism teaches that every enlightened person is a Buddha. This is because (to Buddhists) there is no ego or individual identity. There is only consciousness/awareness and human forms have the illusion (maya) of believing they are separate from the source. When the ego disappears (this is deliberately in passive voice because there is no free will in Buddhism) that form becomes “enlightened” or (probably a more accurate way to put it) “enlightenment” happens to that form. There are always Buddhas, throughout history in every era and civilization. Osho, J. Krishnamurti, Karl Renz, Ramesh Balsekar, and Wayne Liquorman are some recent ones.

      • Brad June 30, 2013 at 6:28 pm

        Gideon, what can all these “Buddhas” do that can affect and effect my life? What is their answer to the problem of sin and evil? What is their answer to what happens to us after we die? Have any of them physically sacrificed themselves for me and risen from the dead and become a substitutional perfect, sinless offering for my sins? If any have, I have never heard who did! So what do or can they offer me to convince me to join their ‘enlightened’ ranks?

  7. thankful January 28, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Thanks for sharing! Certainly gives me a better understanding of the motivation behind Bono’s humanitarian work.

  8. Mike January 30, 2013 at 8:14 am

    My church’s house groups are studying the sermon on the mount at the moment and the notes often refer to U2 songs. This began to open my eyes to Bono’s beliefs, but the interview tells us so much more about his faith. To find a man who has achieved so much in a wordly sense but has retained and demonstrated a simple and fundamental faith in Christ is hugely encouraging. The simple Christ was either the son of God or crazy is very like Nicky Gumbel’s in the introduction to Alpha, something I’d encourage anyone out there who wishes to explore who Christ was to look into, see http://run.alpha.org/alphacourse/resource/2012-07-14/alpha-live-talks

  9. Ruth Mandrick March 3, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Always have and always will love the music of U2 and even more so because of Bono’s courage and insight in speaking his faith and living it out in a world where the “enemy” has offered it all to simply deny Christ. Bono has persevered in faith and fame at a level few, if any, in contemporary music have done. GO Bono! Long live U2…Thank you Jesus for such beautiful Faith, Hope, Love and
    music!!!

  10. Garth Colin Whelan March 9, 2013 at 4:04 am

    Back in 1982, I became a Christian, and one girl in our bible study became a Christian about 2 years before me. Her testimony was, she met U2 on a ferry crossing before they were famous, and Bono led her to the Lord.

    From what I understand, three of them were from a pentecostal church in Dublin, and when they started getting a cult following, people started going to that church simply because 3/4 of U2 attended there. The Pastor of that church (IMO unwisely) gave them an ultimatum: ‘Either stop the band U2, or stop coming to this church’ (a great shame, especially as this pastor had a harvest field come into his church, but he threw the harvest out). Before they were famous, they actually received prophecies that they would become world famous.

    Obviously, by the way Bono speaks, he is rough around the edges, but so what? So were many of the prophets as well as Jesus.

  11. Savage March 9, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    I like his description of Jesus: complete nutcase, major time deceiver, or genuinely something special. One of the greatest deceptions of all has been the secular world’s attempt to move him into the regular-guy category. He clearly was anything but. You’re left with little choice but to love or hate Him.

  12. DonnaE March 12, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    WOW. He REALLY gets it…AND he can REALLY communicate it well.

  13. califmom March 13, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    His argument is from C.S. Lewis. He chooses to be in company with one of the world’s great thinkers.

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  15. glen March 21, 2013 at 5:26 am

    People who believe in God are ‘not’ thinkers, they are followers. No evidence of God has ever been found. The world needs to wake up. This is 2013 not 1013. Science is far superior to superstition. People hide behind religion so others’ accept them as good.

    • Robert Eshleman March 23, 2013 at 8:40 pm

      Glen… It would appear that the only reason you posted this comment was to incite rather than to have any kind of intelligent discussion. Sorry about that.

      • Elaine Robbins June 12, 2013 at 10:39 am

        one day, Glen…every knee shall bow before Him..me, you,
        ALL…I hope you turn to Him before that happens. BTW..the evidence is in my changed heart, mind and spirit. May you find that too…

    • KC March 25, 2013 at 9:32 am

      Then stop believing in the fairy tale (theory not proven) of evolution… It is funny that people can throw out the scientific method….

      • Danny May 3, 2013 at 12:01 am

        I am a believer, and also believe evolution is clearly around us. Or are bacterium changing in response to external stresses not enough data for you? (that is an honest question) I think God uses the physical forces we can calculate to carry out His will. That glen conflates the metaphysical, which does not directly influence the physical in a measurable and inconstant way, with the physical is something we should try and help change, not belittle.

    • daniel fontaine June 10, 2013 at 3:49 pm

      Ok Glen what is gravity? How does it work? Do the math…

    • Michael Wright June 11, 2013 at 9:32 pm

      Glen, many of the people who believe in God have considered, at great length, all the possibilities. I am a scientist. Science only proves, after the fact, what the Bible already addresses – such as: the earth is round. Our scientific is and always has been behind God. I suggest, go and investigate what the Word (Jesus) says about all this for yourself. 150 years ago you would have called a want-to-be moon-landing astronaut a lunatic. We have always had a limited view, which only expands as we discover more. The more was there all along, and we are only catching up little bit by little bit. All things are possible with God, who knows all things. You can only ‘follow’ and will never be able to out-think the Creator of all things. We are his creation and he is our Master, who loves us unconditionally. Much love and grace to you!

    • Luke June 14, 2013 at 7:23 am

      Science still can’t explain how, when or where life originated, last I checked. Science still can’t explain how the universe came into being, either. Even if it did all start with the ‘Big Bang’, then where did that densely packed little ball of matter come from? Everything about this universe we live in points to the fact that was created by a truly powerful being, and I choose to believe that it is God, and His son Jesus Christ took away all my sins. I’m going to pray for you, bro.

    • Ife June 15, 2013 at 12:27 pm

      Every single person is following something or someone, even you, glen, even if you don’t know it. Evidence you say? Have you ever ‘seen’ air — the air you breathe? have you ever ‘seen’ it being exchanged in your lung alveoli, entering into your blood stream? and yet you breathe it and live. But then, from ages ago, supposedly learned persons have chosen to obtuse: John 3:8-10 (Amplified)–“the wind blows (breathes) where it wills; and though you hear its sound, yet you neither know where it comes from nor where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit. Nicodemus answered by asking, How can all this be possible? Jesus replied, Are you the teacher of Israel, and yet do not know or understand these things?”
      glen, you need to wake up too..God bless you and prove to you how wonderful it is to follow the Right One

    • Fionnola Morris June 22, 2013 at 7:38 pm

      So ‘science is far superior’ and faith is ‘superstition’? What do you call a speculative scientific theory with no foundation in fact: the absence of matter exploded, nothingness exploded into something that ‘evolved’ into a fully functioning universe but this ‘fact’ has never been replicated and has left not a single fossil to prove a transition between species…. It all
      depends on the brand of ‘fairy story’ or ‘superstition’ you prefer. I’ll take faith any day, as it has a logic and purpose if we are honest enough to own up to man’s inhumanity causing misery, rather than trying to shift the blame to God.

    • Brad June 30, 2013 at 6:48 pm

      Glen, a TRUE scientist will never disregard any possible resolution or explanation to a matter just because they don’t believe. That is what the scientific method involves. By elimination of any possibility, regardless of how remote, you limit yourself on possible conclusions. Example: If you reject the possibility of God’s existence, you would have to BE God in order to prove your conclusion. And if you were God, you could not deny your own existence. If you say or believe it is impossible for a man to ‘fly’ without the aid of a flying machine, that doesn’t mean man cannot ‘fly’ without one. Tornadoes have flown people from point A to point B many times without the use of a flying machine, i.e., airplane, helicopter, glider, jet pack etc… If you could be everywhere at once and know everything and be able to do anything, you would fit the definition of God and therefore be God. If you’ve ever read the Bible (I doubt), you would know that it is full of science from cover to cover and no event in the Bible has ever been contradicted by science; on the contrary, it proves science in many aspects and examples throughout history!

  16. Landy March 22, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Profoundly interesting

  17. glen March 25, 2013 at 3:35 am

    No no. I am not trying to incite. I am merely using my intelligence. There is zero evidence of gods, Jesus, Heaven, Hell, spirits, souls, afterlife, devils, the Easter Bunny or tooth fairies. The aforementioned are ‘all’ myths. Fact! Sorry if you can’t accept reality. Myths have been used for thousands of years to make sense of the unknown. The Earth is not flat. It took science to figure that out. Everybody thought Earth was flat (including scientists) until we knew better. The church had to (very reluctantly) back peddle. In the future (not in your or my lifetime) humanity will move beyond fairytales. Religion has caused no end of harm to this planet. It needs to stop.

    • Robert Eshleman March 25, 2013 at 6:57 am

      Glen, I would still argue that you are trying to incite. Here is why. Your statement regarding using your intelligence implies that there is no intelligence involved in believing in God. I have written a number of posts which display the following:

      1. The historical reliability of the New Testament
      2. The dates that the New Testament were written
      3. The evidence of Christ based on the actions of others

      Additionally, I would not that it requires more faith to believe in the god of evolution and science than it does the God of the bible. You present the case that faith in the God of the Bible requires no intelligence. However, there is such a thing as reasonable faith. I would like to ask you to read THIS POST

      I don’t believe that I am going to change your mind. But I do hope I can do away with the sterotypes that you have created of Christians.

    • Elizabeth Mitchell March 26, 2013 at 12:23 pm

      Jesus is not a myth! Jesus is a real person who really walked on this earth. No historian will refute that fact. And he wasn’t just a great teacher. As Bono says in this interview, He either is who he says he was or he is a stark raving lunatic. He claime to be the Son of God. So, if you want to refute Him, call Him a lunatic, but do not call him a myth.

    • Frank June 11, 2013 at 2:30 pm

      You have no clue what reality is.

    • Sam June 11, 2013 at 4:32 pm

      Not everyone thought the earth was flat; in fact the Bible states otherwise. Isaiah 40:22

    • Michael Wright June 11, 2013 at 9:43 pm

      Glen, one last thing: I agree with you entirely that religion has caused no end of harm. I hate religion, and so does God and Jesus. Jesus’ greatest human opponents were the pharisees. I love Love. God is Love.
      “God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.” 1 John 4:16 (NIV)
      “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.” 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 (NIV)

    • Christian Whitley June 11, 2013 at 10:36 pm

      Alright glen, but if you follow the logic that myths are the driving force behind religion, what about history? You believe in Abraham Lincoln, am I correct? Do you have any tangible proof that he ever existed? I doubt you could prove it to me if I didn’t already believe that he existed. https://www.facebook.com/alincolnism is a page that basically sums up your type of argument. Science has proved more FOR the idea of a creator than they have against it. If you actually used your mind you would do the research and would have figured that out.

      I would recommend that you read “The Case for Christ” or “The Case for a Creator”, with an open mind. If you are honestly trying to answer the questions instead of just trying to prove your theories, or lack thereof, then humor me.

      • Manuel June 23, 2013 at 1:42 pm

        Open-mindedness is the key word here. Most people that call themselves “atheists” are more what I called my self when I was an Anti-Theist. Most real atheists don’t even get embroiled in discussions of this type they tend to live and let live… I respect that. I actually respect anti-theism. It the “I’m superior to you stuff” that makes me chuckle. I was angry at God – I hated God for things that hurt me in my early life. When I matured to the point that I truly understood the concept of Free Will, then I could see the true source of the pain that seeded that hatred.

    • Elaine Robbins June 12, 2013 at 10:43 am

      Glen, a very interesting read….”the Reason for God” by Timothy Keller…Great for the one who wants to really think…I also am grateful for the gift of Faith….because I cannot explain everything….what a kind and loving God to give us that.

    • Steve June 13, 2013 at 11:24 am

      Glen, your blindness to spirituality is grounded in your particular theory of knowledge; how we know what we know. In scientism we can only know that which can be proven in a lab. Science can only discover how God gets things done. God can only be found through faith. There is much that we know exists that cannot be proven. Can you think of something? Look into your own heart and acknowledge there are things you know about yourself but cannot prove. Your epistemology has handicapped your pursuit of truth.

    • Dwight Osborne June 14, 2013 at 5:16 pm

      yet the Bible said over 3000 years ago that the earth was round. It specifically called it a “circle” (Job 26:7,10; Isaiah 40:21, 22) Before you state things as “facts”, maybe you ought to research your subject matter a little better. As for the future, many of us will be leaving this world in the very near future in the Rapture, going to that heaven that you believe to be a myth. Just know that if you happen to be here when millions of people disappear off the planet, they went to be with that Savior that you believe a myth. Ultimately, one way or the other, either as a believer or as an unbeliever you’ll kneel before that Jesus, who is God in the flesh, and proclaim Him King of kings and Lord of lords. If you accept Him as Savior before the Rapture, then you’ll be included in that event. If you never accept Him, then you’ll face His wrath and judgment and a destiny in that lake of fire you also believe to be a myth.
      Btw, while you claim Jesus to be a myth, historians accept the fact that Jesus lived even if they don’t believe He is God.

  18. Donald Butler March 29, 2013 at 9:55 am

    I am very impressed with the interview with Bono. He puts it out there for all to see. Thanks for sharing

  19. glen March 30, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    I (Glen here) have no hope of changing brainwashed minds. Opinions are in no short supply. You can interpret anything you want out of your 2,000 year old bible. The day that science finds a god it will be splashed all over the telly and the front page of every newspaper. I have heard every argument that Jesus actually existed, however, other than in the minds of the pious, no evidence has ever been found. Stories vary about many aspects of his life. Why was he not written about until decades after his supposed crucifixion? At least we know that Muhammad existed, although I understand that he was a sex maniac and a paedophile (what with his six-year old wife, Aisha). So I’m not anti-Christian. I am anti-all-religions. If evidence of god or gods comes to light, I will believe.

    • Robert Eshleman April 1, 2013 at 9:43 am

      Glen, I have GREAT NEWS for you. The evidence of God has come to light. It is everything that you see! All of creation, and even you!

      • Dusty Wallace June 11, 2013 at 6:13 pm

        There’s no god. There’s no creation. There is existence, but it wasn’t created by some magical deity.

      • Manuel June 23, 2013 at 1:51 pm

        Is it Evolution or “magic”? Perhaps the concept of time to God is divergent from our own. A finite being cannot fully comprehend the infinite by the sheer fact of the finite state. An analogy would be the difference between the second and third dimension. A closed mind either way is cheating oneself. I see this in spiritual elitism as well. But that fact still does not negate God’s existence.

  20. glen March 31, 2013 at 1:25 am

    I don’t need faith that clouds are made of water. I don’t need faith that butterflies exist. I don’t need faith that Elvis lived in Memphis. However, I need faith that Jesus existed. I need faith that God created the universe. And I need faith that Adam and Eve were the first two people on Earth and that snakes can talk. Wow. I am astounded that people believe such things. Have a nice day.

    • Robert Eshleman April 1, 2013 at 9:42 am

      You need faith in a lot more things than you realize Glen. Take for example the bridges that you drive over. I am going to go out on a limb and say that you are not an archtectual engineer. That being said you need faith that the bridge was built correctly. This enable you to drive over it. This type of faith is called reasonable faith. Since you personally, have no scientific knowledge of how the bridge was built you must have faith that the person that does knows whats going on.

      Additionally, you must have faith on the creation of the universe in the same way that I do. Since this cannot be scientifically proven. The difference between you and I is that I am willing to accept mine on faith, you must defend the impossible notion that you accept yours on “science” (which is not even possible).

      No faith is required that Jesus existed. Multiple extrabiblical sources document that Jesus did in fact exist. Not to mention, it is the most documented era of history in antiquity. You can have more reliability in the existance of Jesus, than you can the existance of Julius Ceasar.

      Glen, I have written posts about all of these. I would invite you to check these out rather than arguing from the perspective you have gained through the Atheist Experience. I always incorporate both sides of the argument before making my own decision. Try to do the same thing.

    • Elaine Robbins June 12, 2013 at 10:46 am

      Faith is God given, Glen If you really want it..ask Him for it. He alone knows your heart`s motive…better than you do…praying you will ask…

  21. glen March 31, 2013 at 1:36 am

    I sincerely hope that you wonderful people check out ‘Atheist Experience’ on Youtube. Many former believers attribute their new-found rationalism on this weekly production. Most of the hosts are former believers, too. It is curious how so many churches are now being re-born as libraries, pubs and houses. Fewer and fewer people are interested in handing their hard-earned money over to churches. Additionally, people reject most of the contents of the bible. Science informs, religion might comfort the feeble, I prefer honesty.

    • Robert Eshleman April 1, 2013 at 10:08 am

      I have, and I have to say that I am not impressed at all. The bald headed guy comes across as condescending and arrogant. Not at all pleasent. Almost bitter that he is an atheist.

      What I really enjoy is listening to them explain how atheism is not a religion. I am curious as to how you can be anti religion, yet call yourself an atheist. Atheism believes in a creator (random chance), a God (nature and natural selection), salvation (one’s self), you have prophets (Dawkins and Hitchens), and you seek converts into your religion (and a moral code (humanistic moral relativism). Some atheists have taken to meeting every Sunday to share in their atheism and work on idea’s to convert Christians to Atheism.

  22. glen March 31, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    I am curious as to why my posts are now being censored. This is typical. The very moment that anyone disagrees with popular opinion they are hushed. This theme has been prevalent for thousands of years and remains intact today. Serious commentary has only just begun surrounding the myths which have been perpetuated throughout the years by religions. Logic will prevail, eventually. Yes, there will be many wars fought between now and then. Atheists will again sit on the sidelines watching the various religions squabble over who is wrong & who is right. Plenty more blood will be shed before fairy-tales are finally banished from our minds.

    • Randy June 11, 2013 at 8:52 am

      Peter Pan is a myth or what we call a fairy tale. Human history and world history are facts. Since you or I were not there, we have to take into account what people saw and what records we can research. These accounts were written down or expressed in words. Even scientist observe and write down reports to make their findings. The findings or theory (unproven facts) might be debated or argued but the events did occur. A scientific study of the Bible does bring to light many interesting facts. Biblical events occurred in the world, I hope you can admit that. Word history is world history. The debate or what you like to argue is what these mean. Many people believe these events come together and reveal a larger story. People believe a God does exist and loved the world so much that he offered His Son, Jesus Christ, as a sacrifice, so people could have a relashionship with him. You do have the right to disagree with the meaning of these event but please don’t say these events did not happen. If you choose not believe than simply don’t believe but don’t attack the people who choose to believe in love. I hope some day you discover the journey to peace is not through hate. I know it took me awhile to find but I am so glad and thankful I did.

    • Fionnola Morris June 22, 2013 at 7:57 pm

      No one is censoring anyone. This is called debate and if you disagree with other posts, you will naturally be called upon to elaborate on your point of view and produce a logical argument to support your views. Faith is not popular, and Christians are in the minority, though not on this site, which is why the Christians have had to inform themselves about history and science in order that they can satisfy themselves on every level, intellectual and psychological that their faith is on a firm footing. Religions don’t so much squabble as politicians, nations and ideologies. People of faith attempt to live it in their own lives. If we want to judge science on the same basis as the ‘flat earth’ proponents, could also hash up some past misconceptions from the scientific community from past ages – that bubonic plague was caused by bad smells …..

  23. glen March 31, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    Woops. Sorry folks. I thought my posts were being censored. However, I see that they are still there. Seriously, sorry. Regards, Glen.

  24. glen April 3, 2013 at 12:25 am

    Robert, you are correct – I’m not an architectural engineer. However, us Atheists do, indeed, build bridges – not walls. We build ‘metaphorical bridges’ between theists and Atheists. Logic, reality, honesty and common-sense are our tools.
    I am not interested in conflict. I only care about peace and truth. We have all witnessed in horror and disgust the failures of churches the world throughout.
    Specifically regarding your April 1st posts (I thought they were April Fool jokes). I referred to my three dictionaries which, unanimously state that Atheism is NOT a religion. Sorry.
    In terms of trying to “convert Christians to Atheism”, as you suggest. Wrong. That, I’m afraid is impossible. All Atheists can do is discuss facts. You either accept the harsh realities of life and death, or you don’t. Simply put, life’s tough. I, too, wish I could live for eternity, however, I accept that it is probably a fairy-tale intended to comfort people. Then there is the ‘business’ of religion – tax-free dollars gathered from church-goers. Look around and see both splendor and awfulness juxtaposed here on earth. Accept what is. We cannot simply attribute rainbows etc, to your imaginary friend (God) while excusing the horror he or she also creates. I’m getting too deep.
    I digress. I do trust and hope that the bridge-builders did their job well. However, in the context of this forum, I have no ‘faith’ in religion. Just look at religions’ shameful history.
    To be brutally honest, I think Matt Dillahunty, the person you so politely refer to as, “The bald headed guy”, on the “Atheist Experience” deserves a knighthood for his tolerance. He is subjected to the most asinine propositions I have ever heard. Furthermore, he is incredibly intelligent.
    And lastly, I am ‘not’ evidence of your pretend friend, God. I am evidence of me – simple.

    • Robert Eshleman April 3, 2013 at 3:57 pm

      Bad joke coming about the bald headed guy…..

      If I am not mistaken he talks to a number of atheists…that could explain the propositions. I’m just sayin’

      Atheism is a religion…I noticed that you didn’t refute my argument you just said…wel my dictionary says so so it must be. Don’t you argue against Christians who make that simplistic arguement? Look at atheism and use that logic and fact that you guys celebrate. If it walks like a duck, etc… Also, the atheism cliched argument against Christianity….fallback to the brutality of the crusades. Weak. Last I checked those responsible for the crusades died. I know, I know…I am going out on a limb…Maybe your dictionary can prove that out. Maybe it would also have the dates in it as well. Oh….and by the way Atheist groups take advantage of the 501C non profit tax break as well…just want to put that out there for everyone.

      Glen…if you are not trying to convert people to atheism…then why are you here? Why come on this board to “refute” Christianity? What is the point? If you are not interested in conflict and not trying to evangelize the religion of atheism…then why are you here…starting conflict by demeaning beliefs and individuals for what they believe and offering counter points in an effort to not convince others of your argument?

      • glen April 3, 2013 at 8:25 pm

        “Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex position” (Bill Maher). It simply isn’t. I won’t be upset if you refer to it as such, believe me, but know that you are wrong.
        I am here to state facts, nothing more. If people walk away from their fairy-tales, that is up to them. Nobody can convince me that dogs and cats are not real. I ‘know’ they exist. Equally, if you ‘know’ God is real, then there is absolutely no way you can change your mind. As I say, I will ‘never’ change my mind about the existence of dogs and cats. I have seen dogs & cats.
        Supporting evidence is key. The problem with religion is that there is zero evidence of gods, Heaven, spirits, souls, etc. As a consequence, many ‘honest’ former church-goers have ceased believing fairy-tales. Honesty is key. Here’s the thing, though. You have to be ready. I cannot ‘force’ anything. Your mind is made up. By way of example, a cigarette smoker will not give up until he/she is ready to do so. Thus, I cannot convert anybody to Atheism. Besides, why are you concerned? If you and yours ‘know’ God is real, then you should also know my writings cannot work. To the contrary, you are also cognizant that if people actually look at the evidence (or lack thereof) then there is every chance that they ‘could’ quit religion. You are worried, I sense. So why am I here, you ask? Because of the harm religion causes us all. Just you wait until the problems really begin between Christians and Muslims.
        “Only Two Things Are Infinite, The Universe And Human Stupidity, And I’m Not Sure About The Former” (Albert Einstein). Until humanity dispels its fairy-tales we cannot advance.

      • Robert Eshleman April 5, 2013 at 7:41 pm

        Glen, I can assure you that I am not concered about anything that you would have to offer. To this point you haven’t offerd any evidence to support your position only antidoctal arguments from other people. You have even gone to the point where you say you don’t believe in God because of what “Christians” did in the crusades. Which BTW is an incredibly absurd argument considering that I can count one atheist who did more damage. Using your logic you would have to condemn and abandon atheism…

        Anyway, When you are prepared to swap evidence whether it be historocity of scripture, creation, evolution, or gene entropy give me a shout.

    • sara June 11, 2013 at 2:17 pm

      Christianity is NOT a religion. It is about a real, living, ongoing relationship with the Savior of the world. Religion is a man-made institution so, of course, it is very tarnished. Christ is not some man-made theory. He actually lived and actually did the things which are attributed to Him. That’s fact. No prophet could ever do such things. As far as “excusing the horror he or she also creates”, it is not Jesus who creates them. It is mankind, pure and simple and factual. God promised us free will and with that comes our option to create horror. Why blame God for giving mankind precisely what was asked for? That smacks of not taking responsibility for one’s actions, something which is pandemically evident in today’s society. Please do NOT use religion and Christianity interchangeably because they are not. The Bible is a book authored by God but physically written by men. Those men didn’t author it or create a single word of it. They simply put pen to paper with the guidance of God. No, I am not on a crusade to “save you” from your atheism. I simply wanted to get the facts out there. However, I do hope you one day come to know God. The eternal alternate is “unpleasant” to say the least. I would hate to have you find out the eternal way.

      • Diane June 12, 2013 at 9:43 am

        There is a major difference between: Religion (man-made where people gather for socialization and told by man/woman how to interpret what is said in the bible) which was written by man, Faith is believing in something/someone who is greater than your self and SPIRITUALITY is how we live our life. Christianity is not a religion, its a way of life which is Christ-like. Original language of the ‘bible’ was written in Sanskrit and throughout the centuries was translated by man. As the translations continued there were words that were written in Sanskrit that wasn’t in the language of those who translated therefore new interpretations of what they ‘thought’ it meant.

        There is a lot of missing information from beginning of when it was first translated and when the Bible was put together by Constantine, he decided what ‘books’ would go into what is now called the Bible. Again man making decisions as to what is important to my life. What happened to all the other books, written by many others from the Old Testament and New. Where is the information on what Christ did from 12 years old til he returned home? What was Christ really like during that time.

        My belief system is all about living a life that is pleasing to my higher power who I choose to call God and doing unto others as Christ said we should. Do I agree with all of the things I was taught, studied as I grew up..no I don’t because i DO NOT believe that Christ/God/Jesus is as ‘cruel’ as some of the churches stated/still states he is. I do not answer to anyone but my higher power.

        Ever comment on these posts are one’s opinion and we ALL are entitled to them. They can be food for thought, research etc. No one can change our belief system of any sorts (whether Atheist, Agnostic, etc) we are the only ones who can.

      • Robert Eshleman June 12, 2013 at 10:00 am

        Diane, thanks for stopping by. I wanted to some observations regarding you comment. The original language of the Old Testament was Hebrew. I am not sure where you see that it was sanskrit. As I am sure you know the Hebrew people were completely different from the Persians. Different languages and different writing styles. The New Testament was written in Greek being the predominant language of the day, but was also translated to Hebrew and Latin.

        Constantine happened to be the leader who was in charge when the books were decided. That being said historically speaking we know which books and letters were being used by churches from church tradition during the time of Constatine. Those were the books that were included. Constantine did play a role through theology, but not on book selection. That was decided by tradition and careful review by all church leaders. The other books that you reference did not stand up to snuff when looked at from a historical perspective, tradition perspective, consistancy perspective and factual perspective.

        To your point about the multiple translations. Did you know that we can can come close to 100% accuracy to the original letters of the New Testament by comparing the different translations? The New Testament, based on over 6,000 copies of the original, is about 97% accurate to the original. The 3% is punctuaion and changes that did not alter the meaning. I wrote about this in a blog post because the accuracy of the New Testament far exceed any other document(s) in antiquity. Please read these posts below as I believe they address some of your concerns.

        http://noapologizing.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/more-reliable-aristotle-or-the-new-testament/

        http://noapologizing.wordpress.com/2011/01/17/the-evidence-that-jesus-is-real-the-new-testament/

      • Lynn June 14, 2013 at 6:54 am

        Sara……Exactly!!

    • Tysone Kent June 12, 2013 at 3:48 pm

      Glen, you are evidence of you? I’m sure you have briefly studied atleast parts of the complexity of a human body. The eye, ear, lungs, whatever. The structures and functioning of organs is absolutely incredible. How did it (your human body) become to be that way? From a heated pool of Genetic Material?

      I think it would take more faith to believe in the theory of evolution than in the Living God.

    • Allen June 14, 2013 at 2:01 pm

      Glen, it’s time you recognize that since the beginning of the 20th century, atheists, not Christians, have killed more people on this planet than all the religious wars in human history! Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc. are good for about 20 million each, so the “straw man” you’re trying to set up just doesn’t wash.

  25. glen April 3, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    Robert, I read somewhere that you “never back down from an intellectual debate”. That’s wonderful, because, I too will never stop telling the truth about the fairy-tales that churches expect us to swallow. The thing that the church didn’t factor in, is that our average IQ levels are growing with every new generation. Another factor that the church never counted on is, the rapid explosion of technology. People are now able to communicate across the globe (except in certain countries, of course) and now gain exposure to people of no faith. In years past, one could be forgiven for thinking everybody believed in a god because nobody was game to suggest otherwise. Indeed, people were sometimes killed for denying their make-believe gods. Today, very few people genuinely believe in witches or magic. In years past, many people believed in all sorts of fantasies. Humans are slowly advancing. It is exciting, but painfully slow. Education is the key. It is curious how the least educated countries in the world also have the highest propensity to believe in God.
    So when you say you will “never back down from an intellectual debate”, bring it on. Let the games begin. Have a nice day, regards, Glen…..

  26. glen April 3, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    Jesus is not a myth! Jesus is a real person who really walked on this earth. No historian will refute that fact. And he wasn’t just a great teacher. As Bono says in this interview, He either is who he says he was or he is a stark raving lunatic. He claime to be the Son of God. So, if you want to refute Him, call Him a lunatic, but do not call him a myth.

  27. glen April 4, 2013 at 4:00 am

    My church’s house groups are studying the sermon on the mount at the moment and the notes often refer to U2 songs. This began to open my eyes to Bono’s beliefs, but the interview tells us so much more about his faith. To find a man who has achieved so much in a wordly sense but has retained and demonstrated a simple and fundamental faith in Christ is hugely encouraging. The simple Christ was either the son of God or crazy is very like Nicky Gumbel’s in the introduction to Alpha, something I’d encourage anyone out there who wishes to explore who Christ was to look into, see

  28. glen April 5, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Hey Robert, I notice that you are deleting my responses. Does this mean that I have won this debate. Thought you said you never back down from an intellectual debate. As the old saying goes, there is a first time for everything. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted, Clearly, the X-military man has backed down. I win.
    Bye bye Robert, unless you take up the challenge. Regards, Glen……

    • Robert Eshleman April 5, 2013 at 7:35 pm

      No Glen…It could mean that I have a full time job, am taking classes, taking care of my family, etc…

      BTW…for future reference. Comments are set to be approved by me, and will not show up on the board until I review them and deem the appropriate for our audience. We have had some people who demonstrate the inability to control their language.

  29. glen April 6, 2013 at 4:45 am

    Robert, I have no evidence of ‘NO’ gods. Equally, you have ‘no’ evidence ‘OF’ gods. One religion says there is one god, while another claims multiple gods. My life isn’t long enough to argue with thousands of religions (so consider yourself privileged Robert, I have chosen you). Of course, everybody knows they are correct, but everybody can’t all be correct, since different opinions abound. Someone has to be wrong. All religions cannot be correct. Evidently, religion is this special case where everybody believes which ever fairy-tale they so choose (coincidentally, usually the same as their parents) and nobody should argue against them. It is not politically correct to do so. Or it is considered rude or nasty to ask ‘where is your evidence?’. I’m not politically correct, though. I prefer to be right than politically correct. And believe me, I am right. ‘There is NO evidence of God’. And if you cannot accept reality, tough. Again, it is your ‘right’ to believe in fairy-tales.
    Of course, as with the share market, belief in Heaven and God is based on two things – greed and fear. The fear of death and the greedy hope of eternal life. I have grieved (as most people have) the loss of loved ones. But don’t get out the violin and tissues for me. We all deal with grief. My point is this. I still mourn and miss them. I respect the dead and fallen heroes who have fought for us through the generations. However, as an Atheist, I don’t pray to a pretend God. I merely accept reality. Atheists love, and mourn in equal (or similar) degrees to theists. We are no less human than you. However, Atheists don’t expect eternal life. We are just less selfish, I guess.

  30. glen April 10, 2013 at 3:40 am

    Robert, it seems to me that you must work a heck of a lot. Or is it, as I suspect you have no evidence of your fairy-tales and are running for the hills with your tail between your legs? I also have young children at school and have to work to support my family too, yet have enough time up my sleeve to write a few lines to defend what I believe is the most imminent danger facing mankind – religion. So important is this matter to me that I will make time in my busy life to defend reason and logic against mythology. Of course, mythology would not be such a huge problem if it wasn’t forced on people. If people just went about their daily lives believing whichever fairy-tale comforts them while not forcing their women to wear diapers on their heads, for example. One thing which I am curious about is the following. I hope you can help me here Robert. If men forced their female dogs and cats to wear diapers (AKA burqas) I’m certain that the Animal Welfare League would get involved to stop the cruelty. However, Muslim women are forced, by law, to wear their diapers on their heads (apparently Muslim men have hair fetishes) and nobody steps in to stop the cruelty. Why Robert – why? Now I know you aren’t Muslim, unless you have switched fairy-tales since you last had a spare minute to write me, what with all your work, but it is something for you to ponder, my fellow X-military man. I know your’e busy Robert, but come on………..Regards, Glen………

  31. glen April 11, 2013 at 4:41 am

    Hey Robert, man, you are a busy fellow. Anyhow, I hope I haven’t in any way upset you. It seems that you have gone into hiding. Or are you working 29 hours a day ten days a week or something. It’s such a shame you haven’t got the time to defend yourself. Thought you said you never back down from an argument. This might be a first for Robert. All the best, Robert. I am going nowhere. I will be watching and waiting for your ultra-intelligent fully science based responses. Bye bye for now, Robert. I’m waiting.

  32. glen April 12, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    No Glen…It could mean that I have a full time job, am taking classes, taking care of my family, etc…

    BTW…for future reference. Comments are set to be approved by me, and will not show up on the board until I review them and deem the appropriate for our audience. We have had some people who demonstrate the inability to control their language.

  33. g April 13, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    What struck me was the way he handled the apologetics side of….that is a very polished argument about Christ either being Lord or Lunatic, but not a good “prophet”.

  34. g April 14, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    Back in 1982, I became a Christian, and one girl in our bible study became a Christian about 2 years before me. Her testimony was, she met U2 on a ferry crossing before they were famous, and Bono led her to the Lord.

    From what I understand, three of them were from a pentecostal church in Dublin, and when they started getting a cult following, people started going to that church simply because 3/4 of U2 attended there. The Pastor of that church (IMO unwisely) gave them an ultimatum: ‘Either stop the band U2, or stop coming to this church’ (a great shame, especially as this pastor had a harvest field come into his church, but he threw the harvest out). Before they were famous, they actually received prophecies that they would become world famous.

    Obviously, by the way Bono speaks, he is rough around the edges, but so what? So were many of the prophets as well as Jesus.

  35. glen April 15, 2013 at 6:44 am

    Come out to play Robert. You are hiding, you coward. I thought you never back down from an intellectual argument. I know you will read this. You are a COWARD.

    • sara June 11, 2013 at 2:26 pm

      Why is it that you must retreat to name calling? Can’t you do better than that? What was the point of your comment, to prove that ultimately you are here only to incite? You say you are using your intelligence. Name calling certainly confirms that you are highly intelligent. NOT!!

  36. Mangoman April 15, 2013 at 6:50 am

    I would rather choose to believe in God and find out he doesn’t exist, than choose NOT to believe in God and find out He’s REAL!!

  37. glen April 16, 2013 at 3:27 am

    Glen, I can assure you that I am not concered about anything that you would have to offer. To this point you haven’t offerd any evidence to support your position only antidoctal arguments from other people. You have even gone to the point where you say you don’t believe in God because of what “Christians” did in the crusades. Which BTW is an incredibly absurd argument considering that I can count one atheist who did more damage. Using your logic you would have to condemn and abandon atheism…

    Anyway, When you are prepared to swap evidence whether it be historocity of scripture, creation, evolution, or gene entropy give me a shout.

    • Danny May 3, 2013 at 12:20 am

      dude, what with the antagonism? Some people have different time schedules. And some commentors decide when to give their time differently than you.

  38. glen May 10, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    To Mangoman, you would rather “choose to believe in God and find out he doesn’t exist…”. In other words, you admit that there is no evidence of your god. You are ‘choosing’ to believe out of pure fear and selfishness. I don’t believe because there is no evidence whatsoever. If there turns out to be some beast or cloud or super being you name God, then so be it. I still wouldn’t worship this sick thing that creates tornados and tsunamis etc, killing millions of innocent people (and other creatures) every year. What do you think people or spirits or souls (or whatever) are going to do for the next 298,000,000,000,000 plus years anyway. How boring, just worshipping this thing called God. Boring! I would rather enjoy thirty or fifty or eighty very short years on Earth just being satisfied with what I get. What makes humans so special that we deserve eternal existence. Dream on folks. It doesn’t happen. And as I say, thankfully it doesn’t, because it would be a real drag, anyway. Life is short – enjoy it folks. Bye for now, Glen.

  39. glen May 25, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    I am always intrigued that Christians cry at funerals. Seems to me that you lot should be popping Champaign corks. Your friend has just gone to heaven and is with Jesus, remember. Or perhaps you don’t really believe it, deep down. Just a thought. All the best, Glen.

    • DonnaE May 26, 2013 at 4:55 pm

      Glen – I am happy that my loved ones are with Jesus – that doesn’t mean that I am not sad that I have to live the rest of MY life without them, or that my children will only know my grandparents via the photos I can find or the stories I can tell. Rest assured – I am SO happy that as believers they are with God.

    • Danny May 27, 2013 at 1:46 am

      Do you get sad when a close friend moves away? My family cried when I left, and that was just for a few months (before my visit back home). How much worse is a couple decades?

    • Luke June 14, 2013 at 7:43 am

      We cry because we miss the deceased. If my brother died, I probably wouldn’t see him again for fifty or sixty years, if I’m healthy. It’s always sad when someone is leaving for a long time.
      Just sayin’.

    • Diane June 14, 2013 at 8:52 am

      Glen, while one knows someone is going “home” to be with God (re your funeral comment) and “celebrates their life” at a funeral – just as “Jesus wept” for his friend Lazarus, we are human and weep as we will miss the daily companionship, love, friendship, of one who has passed. You make crying sound like one doesn’t believe in God. It is actually because God loves and we are capable of love that we are able to express emotions – such as crying – at the loss of a loved one while rejoicing that they are now at peace. You are certainly free to believe what you believe. Leave others to believe what they believe. As someone else commented to you – why the antagonism. It is like you have a personal mission to convince everyone there is no God – but if you don’t believe in Him anyway – why are you bothering and why even use his name?

  40. glen May 26, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Surprise – surprise. Muslims slice head off British soldier. What a surprise that is – NOT!!! People who expect eternal life in Heaven are capable of committing the most insane acts. And yes, that includes all religious people, not just Muslims. We have seen nothing yet, folks. Sadly, this sort of behaviour is becoming more and more commonplace in western countries. Muslims escape the horrors in their disgusting countries only to spread their mental illness (Islam) to our western societies. Our children and grand-children will pay a heavy price. A heavy price, indeed. We will all live in fear on a daily basis. Does anyone remember the Boston bombing? Religion is such a wonderful mechanism for bringing peace to our species – NOT. Have a nice day. Regards, Glen.

  41. glen May 27, 2013 at 6:11 am

    Dear Danny and DonnaE, I hope you don’t mind if I address you both with one post. Do you seriously think that Heaven is real? And if so, what evidence is there? Why do you or I deserve to live for eternity?
    I wouldn’t care about individuals believing fairy tales, if religion wasn’t so harmful. If people simply kept their own silly childish beliefs to themselves. But they don’t. People proselytize. And that is the problem with religion. Not only is it entirely made up – it is disruptive to progress. Grow up! Stop lying to infants who trust adults implicitly. If humans can break the brainwashing cycle, we can make progress. Take care, Glen.

    • Robert Eshleman May 28, 2013 at 3:23 am

      Do you really want to continue to try and argue that you are not an evangelist for atheism?

      • Josh May 30, 2013 at 3:34 pm

        Is there a LIKE button on your comment?

      • Yan June 14, 2013 at 9:42 pm

        @Robert, Let him post and disregard him, he wasn’t convincing any and his now frustrated .. I dont believe in Glen so for me he doesn’t exist :)LOL be bless by the world Glen.
        I love reading your post very informative. God Bless and continue to be a blessing to others.

    • Danny May 29, 2013 at 1:32 pm

      Yes because of the promise given to us by Christ, no we do not deserve it, and really? You don’t think people would manipulate and prevent progress to preserve advantage without Christianity? And even besides that, saying “religion” prevents progress is like saying “science” generates knowledge. They are both extremely broad topics that are up to the person to use as intended. It is asinine to think that religion “brainwashes” believers and prevents progress; only certain horrible individuals do.

    • One Man Versus the World June 11, 2013 at 8:33 am

      Glen,

      As the God of the Bible must exist beyond reason/logic/science, it is futile for any believer to try and convince an unbeliever that he or she should believe (or, more so, that God exists). To shamelessly promote my own blog, I suggest you head on over there and feel free to criticize my writings as well. Though I appreciate all the positive feedback and comments I receive on my blog, I would very much like to see some dissent. Please feel free to check out my blog and fire away. Sorry, Robert, for taking the focus off of your blog. I do find your blog fascinating. I’m just trying to hijack some dissent over to my own blog. I hope you don’t mind.

      onemanversustheworld.wordpress.com

    • anointedplace June 11, 2013 at 10:51 am

      I have read some of the posts and wondered if I should say anything at all on this subject. But honestly I have no need to defend God, as God can defend himself. Glen doesn’t believe in God and is very hostile to God as all humans are. Even Christians were once hostile to God but God changed our hearts. Yes Glen no one deserves to go to heaven but our hope is in Jesus Christ. Yes religion is harmful because religion makes you earn but Christianity gives. With all of your intelligence you fail to understand that people or people and by our very nature are selfish. We would use kittens if it would gain us power and influence. Nor does your intelligence helps you understand that Universities were started by Christians. All religions are self righteous and selfish at its core because they are man created. Christianity says we are hopeless to earn righteousness. Christianity says we need a Savior and we cant save ourselves. Just like you, all of us and those in the past misunderstood God. We misunderstood not because God wasn’t clear but because we are sinful. Jesus told the 12, if you don’t believe my words then believe my works. Jesus gave the disciples evidence, Peter told the church that those that came after them were even more blessed because they believe without seeing the works of Christ like they did. The way the bible is written, it doesn’t follow the rules, it used the lowest of society that held no credibility among the intellectual elite as yourself. What a way to start a religion huh? Thus it should have never gotten off the ground right? Christianity seeks to lift people up and you continue to step on them.

    • Josh June 11, 2013 at 10:58 am

      Glen, man you blow a lot of smoke for a person who has soo much evidence to prove himself, although in all my reading of your responses, not once has you offered any of your own. Here are some things maybe your should consider, unless you offer up evidence to couteract opposing arguments to your own, you are not debating. A debate is the exchange of knowledge and evidence. Now I will conceed that no empirical evidence directly points to God, but that does not necessarily prove there is none either, if knowledge is not based on empirical knowledge alone and if other forms of knowledge exist, then your argument is met with false pretenses. Things like rational thought, abstract ideas such as numbers cannot be proven empirically, yet we know both exist. So unless you are willing to debate based on evidence instead of being antagonistic, you need to be quiet. And you have made it clear, nothing, even if God were to be proven true, would not convince you to believe in Him. So in truth, you would not be honest with the evidence presented anyway and not worthy of debating.

  42. glen May 28, 2013 at 5:24 am

    Robert, you can label me as an ‘evangelist for Atheism’ if you wish. I am simply pointing out how stupid religion is.

  43. farahgarcia May 28, 2013 at 11:38 am

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    wonderfully put i think :)

  44. glen June 9, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Since I have neither seen or heard from any gods, I am Agnostic about gods. You must have had contact from a god, Robert. It is completely illogical to believe in anything without evidence.

    • Christian Whitley June 11, 2013 at 11:13 pm

      Glen, with your second statement I wholeheartedly agree, however not with your conclusion.

      It seems to me that the main goal of atheism is to simply state one’s own opinion about disbelief in what others choose to believe in. Maybe it’s me, but this seems petty to those who call themselves so highly intellectual as to claim the title “atheist”. Or if you don’t claim it, to embrace it.

      As has been continually mentioned, you fail to support your claims, and you consistently avoid answering the direct questions mentioned in the articles that those arguing in favor of Christianity, or whatever religion, have provided for you to read. You also continue with your attempts to belittle those who disagree with you, while claiming not to want to ‘incite’. And yet you call Christians the hypocrites?

      Now, back to the point. To believe without evidence is illogical.

      Yes, that is true. Evidence aids in belief. However, it is not a requirement. I choose to believe that you have a brain, however misguided that may be, considering I have seen no evidence supporting this fact. You may now criticize my use of this example, though it bears more weight than any ‘argument’ that you have posted thus far.

      On the issue of Christianity and whether or not there has been empirical evidence supporting any of its claims, I refer back to the comment I posted earlier this evening as a response to one of your earlier posts. Read the books I mentioned, then give your rebuttal, if you have any. I look forward to a response.

      P.S. If you aren’t going to give any examples or support your own claims, don’t waste our time by simply stating that you disagree.

    • Brent A. Brewster June 12, 2013 at 10:10 am

      So Glen-you don’t believe in the wind? Or gravity? And you believe our self healing bodies that were made with amazing detail where we can see, hear, touch, taste, reproduce, etc was all done by random accident and evolution? That takes way more faith since it is utter foolishness than to believe in a Creator God that gives you evidence of His existance daily with all of nature around you.

    • Tysone Kent June 12, 2013 at 3:56 pm

      Glen, you are evidence of you? I’m sure you have briefly studied atleast parts of the complexity of a human body. The eye, ear, lungs, whatever. The structures and functioning of organs is absolutely incredible. How did it (your human body) become to be that way? From a heated pool of Genetic Material?

      I think it would take more faith to believe in the theory of evolution than in the Living God.

  45. Dave Wainscott June 10, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Thanks for posting this, it’s a classic.

    FYI: you mentioned that it was an older interview from 2010..actually, it;s older than that. It’s part of the book “Bono : In Conversation with Michka Assayas ,” published in 2005. The actual interviews were over a two tear period before that. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1573223093?ie=UTF8&tag=thepoaegg-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1573223093
    Blessings,

    • kevindeisher June 12, 2013 at 11:34 am

      Hey Dave! Is this a part of your amazing library? I love this interview and I imagine the book is fascinating. I love that Bono is so open about his faith and so humble in his expression of his faith and his own stumbling in life.

  46. Trish June 11, 2013 at 12:17 am

    Glen, you know the saying “When you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one who barks the loudest is the one who got hit”. If you are still there, there are many tangible reasons to believe that everything in the Bible is 100% true. Robert has given you links to articles that delve into evidence but you haven’t read them. You have chosen to hang out on this particular comment board for a reason as there are thousands of other places where you could be. Unfortunately I would not be able to dialog with you on a regular basis about Jesus or Who He is to me & the amazing things I have seen in my life that are REAL. I have a college degree & did not become a Christian until I was 20 & my parents are not Christians and I was not in any crisis when I came to faith, I prided myself on my intellect. I also have a large family that need me and other commitments but I took time tonight to read all your posts & I will be praying for you because I am confident that the very real God I serve has a plan & purpose for your life & that He will reveal it to you when you stop holding your hands over your ears and saying “lalalalalala…I don’t want to hear You”. May God bless you Glen & open your eyes & then you will get it & everything will become clear.

  47. wainiaw June 11, 2013 at 12:22 am

    Since there is no proof on either side, there must be something that causes one to consider a side over the other. I would like to see some evidence, not just one’s opinion.

  48. Yvette June 11, 2013 at 1:52 am

    I thought that was a very interesting interview, followed by the centuries old argument between the religious and the atheist. We will *never* be able to agree. There’s no scientific evidence of the existence of God, even if there was, the atheist scientific community would find a reason to discredit it. Faith is a gift *from* God, and if you have it, you have it. If you don’t, you don’t. My faith has got me through many trying times and I’ve been atheist, Church of England, Liberal, Reform and Orthodox Jew, metaphysicist and Roman Catholic. No-one can accuse me of not looking at the *evidence* lol

    It isn’t even a case of hedging your bets. If you believe and you’re wrong, and there’s nothing after we leave this world, you won’t care because you won’t be there. If you don’t believe and you’re wrong there may well be consequences to your actions in this life and that might be problematic :) In the end, I don’t actually care if I’m believing in a fairytale, because to me it isn’t. It’s the absolute truth and there’s a creator who we owe our very existence to. You don’t believe that, and that’s fine. I’m not here to tell you you’re wrong, or deluded, or stupid. I do object to atheists who regard me that way though. Surely ‘live and let live’ is a precept of all value systems?

  49. joyce June 11, 2013 at 2:47 am

    when the time comes when a parallel world is created per science’s theory of creation, then I can say God did not create our world.

  50. Nancy Lee June 11, 2013 at 6:01 am

    We all have a choice. You can choose to believe or you don’t There is no absolute prove, not even ‘science’. It is by faith that we believe in things that you cannot see or fathem. I choose to believe and have encountered God’s love and grace. Do not confuse men’s action with God because God never fails.
    Please seek and choose to believe, many doors will be opened becaue God never fails.
    God will touch your life in ways you do not understand. That is proof.

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  53. Stevie June 11, 2013 at 9:45 am

    glen, you, like every other atheist I’ve encountered, sound very angry and hostile under a very thin veneer of pleasantry. I know the goodness in me is only there because of the grace of which Bono speaks. Without it, I am certain I’d sound more like you. Most atheists are very interested in science and math, “left-brained” subjects. Agreed? It would be helpful to find some common ground before trying to have a respectful discussion. My theory, based on observation, is that atheists have an inability to percieve supernatural phenomena that is ever-present and second-nature to believers – in ANY religion. The proof you want is seen by believers in everyday life, not under a microsope in a lab. It is like there are two different realms, and sadly, you cannot concieve of the realm where God exists. I can conceive of your realm and it truly looks uninviting. Language (primarily left-brain function) to describe such things in a way a left-brainer hears, is unfortunately elusive. Perhaps the reason there are so many religions is that humans were created with a sense for this. Since the beginning of time, it seems humans have had the need to worship something or someone larger than themselves. Evidently not “all” humans. I suppose you would say that atheists are more “evolved” than the right-brained people on the earth and those who have lived thousands of years before you? How judgmental that would be. I’d love to see a study that separates left-brain dominant folks and right brain dominant folks and the correlation with the rates of belief in the supernatural. Perhaps that piece of “science” might be a bridge to start a real conversation going, because these forums typically get nowhere. Thankfully many brilliant scientists see the truth and keep working hard and the more they discover, the more they see none of this could have happened by accident. I have noticed that atheists love to avoid the topic of the origins of life in their arguments, and also that they love to skew the few facts they do have i.e. natural selection is evidence of evolution, Lucy is a complete skeleton…there is a writer for TIME magazine whose science articles SHOULD have front page attention. But, in the world where we live, the things he reports are not popular. I have read more from that editor that refutes modern scientific “finds” would be alone enough to convince me that our science is not as ironclad as you’d like to “believe.” to ponder… http://psychology.about.com/od/cognitivepsychology/a/left-brain-right-brain.htm

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  55. Angela June 11, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Reblogged this on Life is Good and commented:
    An insightful perspective. Well worth the read!

  56. bob smith June 11, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Leave glen alone. No “answer” will come from a comment section post. This tangential thread is hijacking the entire section – if you want to argue/discuss/compare notes, do it another forum or meet for coffee. Please, for the rest of us.

    • Robert Eshleman June 11, 2013 at 11:38 am

      Hey Bob,

      While I agree that it would appear that Glen’s sole purpose here was one long attempt to lure me out to fight, I don’t mind the banter. I think it is good that Glen did finally acknowledge that he is here to evangelize the religion of atheism.

      • glen June 24, 2013 at 9:25 pm

        Robert, it is good to evangelize for your myth but not good to evangelize about reality. What the? How does that work? I don’t believe a god exists (due to zero scientific evidence) and you think a god exists because you are afraid of death. OK. So what? I simply want people to accept reality and stop fighting each other because of their chosen fairy tale. Keep me in the loop please. I would love to come to your church some time and meet with you. I would really like that. We could also talk about our military days. It would be nice. Even though we don’t agree about one little thing doesn’t mean we can’t be friends. Unless you think I deserve to live in hell for eternity, of course. Simply because I don’t think a god is real doesn’t mean I deserve to live in a fiery hell for trillions and trillions of years. Any god who would do such a thing is not very nice. But of course, many (nicer) religious folk don’t believe such silly things. Don’t know which side of the fence you are on. Take care……..

      • Robert Eshleman June 25, 2013 at 12:33 pm

        I have no problem with you evangelizing. I take issue with some of the comments, but I want you to at least be honest about evangelizing for the religion of atheism. Which it sounds like you are now doing.

    • Trish June 11, 2013 at 12:03 pm

      Bob, I totally agree with you but I wanted to address Glen because I think that as many Christians who are reading this can add Glen to their prayers that his eyes would truly be open. Some life experience has made him hostile to God & he doesn’t want to believe because of that. God has his address & phone number & knows the hairs on his head. I do think we can be used to make a difference, even in a blog post comment section, even if this tangent has taken away from the article on Bono’s faith. Although we should not cast our pearls before swine, I think we should extend our prayers that God will change a heart and put it in His hands. As for Bono, I would love to read a recent interview to see what God has shown him since this last one as I always appreciate seeing how we grow in our faith & learn new things over the years from walking with Jesus.

  57. Jacki June 11, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    very interesting comments!!! we cannot “prove” there is Almighty God! we cannot “prove” the evolution theory. But one thing we DO know…no one ever had to figure out how long a week is! Is has always been 7 days. History will teach us that men had to figure out how many days in a year; how many weeks in a year; how many months. We have seasons; how to divide them into days? How many hours in a day? How many minutes and seconds in an hour? But, NEVER did anyone have to figure out how many days in a week!! God has established it when He created the earth in seven days!!! That’s enough evidence for me!!!

    • Dave Davenport June 12, 2013 at 12:49 pm

      Weeks are just as random as seconds, minutes, hours, days, months, meters, feet, miles, km, etc. Why use such silly arguments to make a point? If you believe in god, I am fine with that, but if weeks is the reason you believe in god, then I’ve got some snake-oil to sell you. I don’t actually think that is why you believe in god, but making that argument does not reflect well on you or any others who may believe in that god.

  58. Manuel P. June 11, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    I just read this article. I was fascinated especially by the line about Grace and Karma. I think that describes me perfectly.

    As to the “debate”, Science has replaced God in the secular/atheist world. Science cannot “prove” nor “dis-prove” anything really. It can only provide a high probability based on quantifiable evidence. The problem is that theories which were scientific “dogma” are often dis-proven as technology outgrows the current thinking. The blind faith in God and ridiculed by the anti-theists is implored by the same anti-theists when it comes to Science. e.g. What was called Global cooling in the 1970’s was Global Warming in the 1980’s- 90’s now is now called “Climate Change” (which is odd since the climate changes four times a year on this planet…)- because the evidence keeps dis-proving the theories. And for every theory stating one “absolute uncertainty” you have two other scientists disproving it with a counter theory. The manes have been changed to protect the arrogant.
    Remember scientists would “bleed” people to “cure” anemia and believed lead could be transformed to gold. I remind my anti-theist friends of this when they mention the crusades. The science is only as good as the technology of the day. Religion is only as good as the behavior of the faithful.

    • Tim June 13, 2013 at 3:43 pm

      Science changes with technology and knowledge. It is a compilation of the best ideas and models of physics, biology, cosmology, etc. If more data comes in that contradicts a model, it SHOULD be discarded for a more accurate one!

    • Lynn June 14, 2013 at 7:06 am

      In U2’s song “Grace”, Bono says much the same: “She travels outside of Karma….”

  59. shareen lasher June 11, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Bono is so right in many ways of how the world views God. But if we all turned TO HIM instead of ON HIM, the world would be a much better place.

  60. sharonelin June 11, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Glen, with respect, if I may speak freely: your mistake is trying to figure it all out — all of Life and Truth — and your next mistake is assuming that you have succeeded. That position reveals a great deal of arrogant self-pride, which might seem to you enough to live on without needing anything more. From that perch, you feel justified to ridicule others who are dependent on their gods and faith, which you deem imaginary. I agree that faith is not proof, but it is assurance, and it only comes to the humble. I have proof of God, but it is based on personal experience, not empirical data. It cannot be refuted, because it is my reality — however, for you, it is more than likely deniable. If so, I do not need you to validate my claim, but I wish you could experience this love of God as well.

    My proof of God is the transformation that has occurred in my life since I gave up my atheism and became a Christian. I questioned; I fought it; I denied Jesus could be who everyone claimed he was. I researched; I battled against the tide. Eventually, in spite of fighting against it, I realized I wasn’t enough, plain and simple. God was relentless in pursuing me, and I finally gave him my heart. As a Christian, I do not scoff at science, logic, or evolution. I believe God enables creation to exist through laws that science has yet to discover — and although Biblical history is puzzling and perhaps allegorical and limited by early human articulation, it is nonetheless true. Like you, I detest what travesties have been committed in the name of religion throughout the centuries and around the world. There is a huge difference between “religion” and true faith. Many misinterpret the doctrine or have been taught distorted versions of doctrine taken out of context and twisted to the tunes of sin. That’s why you see so many people who call themselves Christians but behave like complete jerks or worse. This is inevitable because humans are naturally sinners. We all are. That’s why we need God — to set a standard above ourselves. If you seek out true believers and learn true Christian doctrine that is pure and complete and not “cafeteria-style” hand-picked for convenience or self-advancement, you can decide if there is anything worth believing in it. However, if you simply stand back and judge all Christians by the ones who overreact, prosthelytize, and behave like irrational idiots, you will continue developing a distaste for what they supposedly represent. My bottom line is that God is good, and this is something I never thought I would say. He’s real.

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  62. Mary June 11, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    I suggest to all of you this book that is currently published in Britain but is set to publish in US this fall: “Unapologetic: Why Despite Everything, Christianity Can Still Make Surprising Emotional Sense” by Francis Spufford, a well-respected English author and teacher at Goldsmiths College in London. Check it out on Amazon or this You Tube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwEe4c2bzVo where Spufford explains why he wrote this book.

  63. Bill Swan June 11, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Dear Glen I’m an 80 year old man who has known this JESUS who was GOD who came in the FLESH to save us from our sins for a long long time . I pray you will study about this JESUS and just believe in your heart that HE died and rose again from the dead and is just waiting for you, Glen I pray that you will In CHRIST LOVE, Bill Swan

    • glen June 24, 2013 at 9:29 pm

      Dear Bill Swan, thanks for your sweet (misguided) thoughts. I pray that you start operating from reality. I feel sorry for you. Fancy pretending to have a god friend. Even my 14 year-old daughter has more common sense than that. At your age, you should be embarrassed.

  64. seanquillen June 11, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    Reading some of the comments here reminded me of what Jesus said in Matthew 13. It is sad but there will be plenty of moments where Satan will attempt to take hold of a situation and bring forth mass confusion/speculation to something that is very simple and easy to understand and follow.

    Also, if an atheist was correct about there being no creator, the only way they would find out is through death, and I don’t really think there will be a mass celebration over that. And if found out earlier, there will be a lot of atheists with night terrors, and a mass hysteria over death would probably occur.

    But I digress, here is the passage:

    13 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

    10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”

    11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables:

    “Though seeing, they do not see;
    though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
    14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:

    “‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
    you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
    15 For this people’s heart has become calloused;
    they hardly hear with their ears,
    and they have closed their eyes.
    Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
    hear with their ears,
    understand with their hearts
    and turn, and I would heal them.’[a]
    16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

    18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. 23 But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”

  65. Tracy Bee. June 12, 2013 at 12:30 am

    The phrase “and never the twain shall meet” comes to mind at the moment. I do not seek to personally change the minds of others only to live my truth as I know it. Whether I call the higher power I feel in my life God or Allah matters not. I want the standards that I choose to live my life by set high above me so I will always strive to reach up, not scramble about in the dirt. This is my personal choice. To believe in a Heavenly Father with no detriment to others. If this belief helps draw out my humanity then others shall only benefit. To me, this is a good thing.

  66. Martin Clark June 12, 2013 at 2:07 am

    Very good Bono. Some lovely thinking and truth in there. However Christ was not a martyr – He went much further than dying for a belief. He died for a purpose. As Bono states – He took all our s@@t. The martyrdom label is too carnal to be ‘attached’ to God’s son….it is entirely inappropriate and reduces and devalues Christ’s death absolutely. Still a wonderful example of how to explain grace though. Bono did well.

  67. Seth Jeffery June 12, 2013 at 2:58 am

    Note to commenters: “Our struggle is not against flesh and blood (and atheists), but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.” People’s hearts will always be hard while they live under the thumb of the enemy, and the best weapon against this is not clever words but prayer. Of course we know there is plenty of evidence for Christ.

    In fact, on a very practical level, one only needs to look at the nation of Israel to see evidence for the divine: how could such a tiny minority of a nation stay intact for so many thousands of years, contribute to such a large number of nobel prize winners, be famous for being financially blessed, and win hundreds of battles with the odds stacked against them (remember the six-day war)? And even more interestingly, every time nations have been for them the nations have been blessed (think about America before recent years), and every time nations have sidelined them they have experienced disease, plagues and curses (think about Europe in the Middle Ages). On a biblical level, we know that the books that foretold the rise and fall of the Medio-Persians, Greeks and Romans were written hundreds of years before the events happened. On a personal level, I have been guided by the Holy Spirit in miraculous ways, seen amazing healings and also severe demon possession (it’s not pretty) and deliverance from it that is baffling the doctors.

    • mmstroet June 13, 2013 at 8:04 am

      Our struggle is never against flesh and blood, but always for it. YES! :) Thanks for pointing that out. And for your brief testimony.

  68. Vince Millett June 12, 2013 at 3:18 am

    Reblogged this on Resistance is never futile and commented:
    Some very interesting analysis from Saint Bono. Much along my own way of thinking, it has to be said.

  69. steve savage June 12, 2013 at 4:19 am

    Does the sentence “9 times out of 10 they end up creating a God that does not exist in the Bible” imply the 1 out of 10 times is when a Hindu, Muslim [et al] celebrity is being interviewed? Their Gods don’t exist in the bible either.

  70. Grande Falcone June 12, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Reblogged this on Falcone's Crossroads and commented:
    Amazing interview with U2’s Bono on the subjects of Christ, Catholicism, and the Cross. His image of the God-Man relationships between the Old Testament and New strikes me as particularly powerful. Enjoy!

  71. Jamie Kohler June 12, 2013 at 10:54 am

    I am a disciple of Jesus Christ. I think of religion as incredible power in dangerous hands.

  72. Mat June 12, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Great interview – inspiring words by Bono. Many blessings to him.

  73. Dan Lacich June 12, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Reblogged this on Provocative Christian Living and commented:
    This is well worth reading all the way through. Bono nails it on the exclusive claims of Jesus that set Him apart from all other religious figures and about the supremacy of grace and our need for it.

  74. Paul. "Budgie" June 12, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    silly me.. I got the impression this was a debate as to Bono’s “talk” of faith. Seems to me that is all he does. Don’t be deceived by this man. All is not what it appears. Is he the rock “Star” behaving very differently from the way he should be behaving if he really believes what he is saying in this interview. He should be acting as a role model for the young people who come to worship U2.
    Bono should lose the satanic symbols he uses by hand. The Iluminati symbols and Satanist hand signs are not only in U2’s video and music, it’s everywhere now… Wake up church of Jesus Christ. Get rid of your TV open the book of God and study what God says, not a second rate, ageing rock singer. Paul, Mr Bono. I don’t believe you. I think you are a fake. A wolf in sheep’s clothing. History shows us, sadly, that the masses will listen to the many like you. The Christian television networks are full of false prophets just like you. They have many lambs ready for sacrifice. Lulled into a false sense of security because it “Sounds nice”..
    Nobody listens! Wake up oh hypnotized ones.

  75. Linda June 12, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Excellent interview and fascinating discussion that followed. I am no kind of apologist but would like to add this thought: science and religion are not mutually exclusive. The Big Bang Theory was in fact originally proposed by a priest. Many colleges and universities are religious-based. To Glen and others: Fr. Robert Barron at Word on Fire Ministries has some excellent articles and commentaries on science, atheism and proofs of God (Contigency Theory) that are much more eloquent and well-researched than anything I could come up with. And I, too, as others have commented, find it more unbelievable that all of this is random. The odds against our sentient existence must be through the roof. God gave us a wonderful, discoverable world and the intelligence to learn about it. What a fabulous Eden for anyone with the curiosity and intellect to investigate! How, upon looking at all there is, and how intricately it is interconnected, can you not be blown away and humbled by its magnitude? Such a beautiful place! Such wondrous things!

  76. teochenghang June 12, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Reblogged this on Speak to the Left Hand: A Lefty's Perspective and commented:
    How Bono sees Jesus and the faith.

  77. My Inner Chick June 12, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    I’m surprised. I didn’t know Bono was Christian. I even dig him more after reading this insightful interview!

  78. Patrick June 12, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Assayas claims: “The Jesuit priests arrived there with the gospel in one hand and a rifle in the other.” I am not sure what he/she is referring. They probably have the wrong order; Try the Franciscans or Dominicans. In Latin and South Americas, during the conquistadors and dirty wars, the Jesuits were more known for providing ammo to the indigenous than taking part in forceful conversions. It got the Jesuits in trouble and suppressed from 1774- 1821 and again in trouble with JPII in the 1980’s.

    • Robert Eshleman June 12, 2013 at 6:19 pm

      I don’t think that Assayas was mentioning that from an academic perspective. It appears that it was more of an atheistic argument and poke at Bono for being firm in his Christian conviction.

  79. Mike Matney June 12, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    George, did you know that 5% is 8.4 hours per week? I would surmise that the most devout would not spend more than that in the church building each week. It’s more important that we live the church rather than just attend. I agree with all your points of what we do in the church building but maybe 5% is more than you realized!

  80. Randy June 12, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    “Church sitting” is not the fault of the church or it’s leadership. It is the problem of the individual doing the sitting. Christianity is meant to be a personal 1 to 1 relationship with God. And is shared in 1 to 1 relatuonships with others. Churches exist to provide support, renewal, and fellowship with other believers to grow us, keep us accoutable, and teach us truth. But Christ is shared through personal relationship. We need both. I agree many churches have become more concerned with politics or church business. But God’s plan was for it to be a place of worship, fellowship, and support. To be his bride. I think He knows best.

  81. David June 12, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Thank you, Robert, for your thoughtful responses to some bitter posts.
    For me, I don’t know of any “proofs” of God, but there are so many incredible wonders that life exists, as we can examine it, that lead me to a conclusion that our existence was designed. Simply looking at the requirements for life to exist on earth – tilt of the earth, amount of lightning, the exact amount of light to give warmth and fuel plant life, etc, etc – these alone should lead one to seriously consider the existence of God (read anything by Hugh Ross).
    Also, one aspect to the Bible I’ve never seen mentioned: if the ancients (and subsequent believers in God) were (are) a bunch of scientifically ignorant Neanderthals, how did the Genesis story come to be written to so accurately reflect the creative/evolutionary process? “In the beginning God made light…”, which perfectly aligns with our understanding of the Big Bang or any other modern-day teaching about the beginning of our amazing universe. Light had to be part of the initial Creation. Did they just “happen” to guess the progression from nothingness to humans? What a gargantuan pile of faith to believe that we simply came into being via vacuous unawareness. Even Dawkins made the claim, when pressed, that we may have been “created” by aliens. Wow.
    “The heavens declare the glory of God.” Amen!

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  83. Chris June 13, 2013 at 3:50 am

    I find it interesting to note that some of the truths that we hold dear about humanity, science and religion are found in stories, especially myths and fairy tales. To hear someone rate religion or Christianity as a fairy tale, implying that it is childish and pathetic just proves a lack of understanding of humanity.

  84. Peter Smith June 13, 2013 at 4:42 am

    Enjoyed reading this though I wonder if Jesus would say to Bono, “you are close to the kingdom if heaven. Go and sell all you have & give the money to the poor then you will have treasure in heaven”. Just a thought.

    • Jeff June 13, 2013 at 1:40 pm

      Maybe, but that is kind of a Gnostic suggestion, don’t you think? Abraham and Solomon were two of the richest men in Bible. Job as well. Others as well. Yet, God makes no move to tell them that this is in any way “wrong”.

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  87. Timewalkerauthor June 13, 2013 at 8:19 am

    Really surprised…I never had any idea about him like this. That’s awesome, though, and perfectly spot-on. He’s absolutely right, and fearless about it, too.

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  89. Terence Grant June 13, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Bono obviously is not aware that in Judaism a messiah is a saviour (not the son of god)and that kings were routinely referred to as the king-messiah and priests as the priest -messiah.Be that as it may,here’s a joke that seems appropriate:Kurt Cobain commits suicide and is directed by St Peter to an island that is reserved for dead musicians.There ,he is pleased to meet all his idols including Jimmy Hendrix etc but is shocked to see thousands of fans sitting at the feet of someone wearing a cowboy hat and sunglasses.”I didn’t know Bono was dead !”he exclaims.”He’s not” says St Peter,”that”s Jesus, he just thinks he’s Bono

    • Robert Eshleman June 13, 2013 at 10:15 am

      I’m not sure about the whole messiah thing, but Judges were refered to as Kings because of the legal authority they had on earth, not because they had divine authority. Jesus did in fact save the world, to include all of the Jews. That makes Him the saviour.

      In regards to your joke…meh

      • Simon June 13, 2013 at 8:47 pm

        “The whole messiah thing'” is well worth looking into. You’ll find it’s true.
        The Jews were/are looking for a man.
        It is the Man Jesus that now sits on the throne of God. Stunning stuff when you allow your heart to see it.

    • mitchcowart June 13, 2013 at 10:16 am

      NOW THAT IS FUNNY! Thank you.

      • glen June 24, 2013 at 9:15 pm

        What is funny? I can assure you mitchcowart, there is absolutely nothing funny about religion. It is the most dangerous belief system ever concocted. Life is short, don’t wast it believing in the tooth fairy or god or any other myth. Take care, my friend, take care.

  90. Carolyn Puccini June 13, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Oh WOW this is awesome, great, wonderful….who would have thought how profoundly he explains it all! I am printing this article to share with all the atheist, agnostics I know!!!

  91. Jan June 13, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Just a thought, Peter…Bono is known to be one of the most generous celebrities and such an awareness of the human condition. Could it possibly be that God has given generously to Bono because Bono gives so generously to those in need? I wonder if we did a comparison in giving, would we be giving the same percentage that he does?

  92. bekahgraham June 13, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Reblogged this on To the world, with love from Bekah and commented:
    Incredible.

  93. thebruisedreedproject June 13, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Reblogged this on The Bruised Reed Project and commented:
    This makes for very interesting reading. While I was reading it, I was reminded that you really can’t judge a person by what you see on the outside.

    -The Bruised Reed

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  95. Lukas June 13, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Actually, this interview is an excerpt from 300+ page book called “Bono in Conversation with Mishka Assayas” published by Riverhead Books in 2005. This interview itself was taken sometime in 2004, not in 2010 as the beginning of the blog says. In the book almost 1/3 of the text refers to God and faith, a great read. Assayas is an Atheist, so the conversation on this is really focused and with creative tension.

  96. Jeff June 13, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    “whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap” is in the New Testament (Gal. 6:7), which is supposedly all about grace. By the way, grace and lex talionas, “whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap” are not incompatible. The same God who ordained the end ordained the means to that end. You can still reap what you sow (to an extent) and God still have grace on you.

  97. Eddie June 13, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Man, if only he actually believed it. I hope things have changed or will change with him and his faith. Watch this video, beginning at 7:02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVll0Zr-7z0

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  99. suzannagoretti June 13, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Reblogged this on suzannagoretti and commented:
    What an amazing, insightful interview, with a great man!

  100. Hollywood Hick June 13, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    I was just humbled reading this. Nice to know there are a few, at least one person with fame and money with something to say worth listening who have a pure vision of Christ and can tell it so well and so comfortably. I pray for the ability to understand God and his love with as much clarity.

  101. Judy A. Johnson June 13, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    TRUTH you either except Christ as Messiah or you dismiss Him as something less. If there are others ways to Heaven then GOD is sadistic because HE would not have killed HIS only SON for one way & then let you have a myriad of other chioces to get there!

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  104. believeorbounce June 14, 2013 at 6:21 am

    interesting read about Bono…he’s always pictured with practically everyone famous, ie the pope, Margaret Thatcher, the Queen ect etc …. I think he’s dubious but I’m not sure why…gut feeling perhaps
    http://garagehouseblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/06/some-skeptical-compilers-genuinely-believe-your-existence-to/

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  107. Terry June 14, 2013 at 8:02 am

    I came to this page because of a post from a dear friend on his Facebook page. I have long known and respected Bono’s views whilst not necessarily holding them myself, but it has been the posting on here that has prompted me to participate.I was brought up solidly in the Christian church, note I said church not faith because for me that is where the problem sits.From the earliest age the established church set us up to fail. We are sinners, unworthy, will flourish only because of the “grace” of God with teachers who by and large have little or no Knowledge of living life on life’s terms, and when we fall, as we all will, are judgemental and arrogant. I do not claim to be supremely intelligent or to have any answers at all but it seems to me that the church has moved so far away from whatever the original message was that it makes it very difficult for those of us who struggle with the concept of faith as a foundation to a belief system to get to grips with it.Do I believe in God? I think I might. Do I believe in the God of the Bible or that the Bible is the word of God? I don’t. So where does that leave me? Someone who has chosen a singular spiritual relationship with something I don’t understand. I have room in my life for science and spirituality they are not mutually exclusive or necessarily at odds with each other i.e. the God Particle..The idea that giving my life over to a biblical God is the way to salvation, to me smacks of a historical control mechanism and makes sense in that context. There is an old adage that says ” If you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you always got” Surely it follows that it is by changing your attitudes and behaviours that outcomes change rather than by some divine intervention? I do not write this to belittle or denigrate anyone’s beliefs as I recognise it is not easy to stand up and be counted for what you believe rather just to add to the discussion. Thanks for reading.

  108. M Anthony June 14, 2013 at 8:22 am

    What an amazing blog…I think it is interesting on the interpretation of the human condition of how people try to justify whether their success or demise is caused by God Loving or not Loving them. Bono’s monetary success as a musician and philanthropist (almost a Billion I believe) is quite ironic to the value of his faith and beliefs. I think Sting also put it very well with 3 songs about the human condition, Every breath you take, If I ever lose my faith and Fragile. Bono put it out there with ” but I still haven’t found what I’m looking for” somewhat explains stories about personal human struggle, and leaves the choices for us to believe or not believe without a colored or tainted perception of what is right or wrong. Morality has it’s place in the human condition, it just depends on who you choose to rub elbows with. Humanity is week in the big picture and we all need a little of faith, hope and Love in our lives to continue the Journey.

    1 Commandment believer or not, ” Love your neighbor as yourself”…. Just try that one alone and you will have a lifetime of challange in victory and defeat. We are are all our own worst enemy!

  109. Patty Szanto June 14, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Hi everyone. I am a fairly new Believer but lately have been having doubts and “what ifs”. I am terrified of dying, am constantly asking myself “what if it’s all made up, what if it’s not true”. I have gotten some answers but most were “it is true, but even if it isn’t, what is the harm of living life as a Believer”? Not the answer I’m looking for. I am in that 1% spot where I am on the fence and am so afraid. I can honestly say I believe 99% in Jesus but it is that nagging feeling that something is just not right. When I first accepted Christ, it was the most awesome time of my life! I felt as if everything would be ok, I looked around and everything seemed brighter and more beautiful. It last for a few months and then the subtle nagging thoughts started. Most of the fellow Believers I have spoken to all say the same: “I cannot change your mind, cannot make you believe. Faith is believing in what you cannot see”. I understand all that but am still so afraid. I am afraid that the Bible what written just as a story; that the New Testament was written first so as to match the Old Testament. Again, I do believe 99% of it but it’s that 1% that is breaking my heart. And all the Bible translations worry me. Does anyone know which is the most accurate?? Thank you all for listening to me. Maybe I’m trying TOO hard to believe??? I so want to….especially about Eternity because I have lost so many loved ones that I love so much and miss so much and it breaks my heart that I may not ever see them again if all this is not true. I am 55 years old and come from a very small family, so as I get older I am losing what little family I have. Thank you again for any advice you can give me! Patty

    • Robert Eshleman June 14, 2013 at 11:55 am

      Patty, thanks for stopping by. I was in the exact same position just before starting this blog. This blog more or less is my personal discovery of my own faith and decision to come to God. God isn’t looking for blind faith. God is looking for reasonable faith. So the whole thing about just having faith is bunk in my book as well. There are a number of posts on this blog which focus on how reliable the Bible is from a historical perspective. Above all, I would begin with earnest prayer. He can give you the comfort you need. Seek the word in earnest. Begin reading the Bible as much as you can. Finally, go to church and get connected (if you haven’t already). Think of the church like a school that can help you learn the Word of God. If you are in the Kansas City area, check out Legacy Church in the northland (http://www.legacychurchkc.org) I belong there and the senior pastor there is a contributor to this blog. We will be praying for you. Let me know if you have any questions and I will be happy to help.

      • patty June 22, 2013 at 7:50 pm

        Thank you Robert. I appreciate your advice. Something that seems so simple to other people shouldn’t be so hard.

    • Tim June 14, 2013 at 11:56 am

      I’m not a Christian, but I just have to ask, what are you afraid of after death? If you 99% believe, heaven is in view if you’re right. If you’re wrong, then you’ll never even know it. So what is there to fear?

      • patty June 22, 2013 at 7:48 pm

        I guess I am afraid that if there is nothing after this life, I will somehow how know and that is terrifying. But how could this be all there is???

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  111. Barabus June 14, 2013 at 11:45 am

    More a self aggrandising greedy tax dodger than a living saint. If he was willing to contribute to the land that raised him rather than hide his money abroad he might sound more convincing.

    • rob ont June 22, 2013 at 8:41 am

      Ya, ’cause communism solves everything. Lets all give all of our money to couch potatoes who do nothing so we can all be equally poor.

  112. Kay Wheeler June 14, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    This is marvelous testimony of Jesus from Bono– hear, hear! But there is a “however” with me; and I’m sure that Bono did not intend it: Under any circumstances, opinions or evaluations regarding whether Jesus was Lord, Lunatic or Liar– none of Jesus’ actions should ever be paralled with Charles Manson even if you wanted to judge Jesus as a “lunatic”, He was certainly not in any category of a sadistic murderer. Regardless of your judgment, you have to recognize the fact and concede that His message of love, mercy and compassion should never be put in in the rank or category of a Charles Manson. I realize that it was an extreme comparison with probably no bad intent. I just had to say something though by way of correction and to clarify that even those deemed lunatic don’t always commit horrible, “Charlie Manson” crimes and should not be collectively stigamitized–in fact most do not and are harmless.

  113. Elaine June 14, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Even if it is 2 yrs old, this was Bono’s richest, most mature testimony to date. Have to share it.

  114. Susan Queen June 14, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    I for one believe w/out a doubt that Jesus was fully God and fully man. I think Grace is a struggle for a lot of us, but I also believe that it’s not necessary to understand it to accept it and be grateful for it.

  115. andy June 14, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Glen, Thank you for interacting on a forum like this and for sharing your honest opinion. You have some great insight and it is good to hear your thoughts. It is true that nobody has “proof” in terms of physical evidence of God’s existence. It would be nice if everything was as easy as having proof or facts, but part of life and the human experience is not physical… Our thoughts, our feelings, our thoughts are real. A person is not just a body, but they are a sum of this whole mess of experience. For me, my faith comes from the experience…By nature I am a selfish, insecure, uncaring person who is concerned with myself and what is best for me. Then I had an experience and things began to change… My friends and family will tell you that i am changed. Not to say I am a “better” person, but my understanding of who I am and how I relate to others has been changed by my relationship with Christ. No proof, nothing you could ever hold, but I am convinced that there is evidence of a change and others could see it too.

    If more people could be transformed by love in a way that was obvious to others and if we could show that love in how we live our life, I think people would feel something that can not be explained away. Sad to say that I and many others slip back into our selfish ways and make it harder to see and feel that kind of love. Wish i had better words to explain it or something more concrete.

  116. Ceona June 15, 2013 at 7:22 am

    Bono is a man of God… Look at the humbleness in his replies… and he doesn’t drift away from the point

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  118. bricuen June 15, 2013 at 10:05 am

    I find this interview very profound and poignant. It does well to further cement my beliefs and faith. Thank you.

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  120. The Water Bearer June 16, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Reblogged this on Inner Angels & Enemies and commented:
    This interview was a great read… Well said Bono…Well said!! ;)

  121. chere June 16, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Wow, really an amazing interview! So glad to have come upon it!

  122. Lewi June 16, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    I believe in Jesus Crist and what He has done for me more not needed do as he does

  123. Mark June 17, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Robert, do you have a facebook page? I would like to read more of your stuff but not through email as I sometimes receive spam that I just dump in the bin. Anyway, good posts! and if I may add, I feel sorry for atheists and I’m very proud of how you’ve handled them. It must be stressful to be an atheist; finding comfort on the fact they crawled out from the sea, turned into monkeys who have acquired knowledge and now claim that everyone else is a nutcase which is what is evolution is right? Has anyone found the missing link or is it still missing? Im a bit busy at work so Im not able to follow the news. I pray that they don’t find proof that God exist! It would be pharisees all over again I tell you!! God bless you all! peace!

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  125. Carol June 18, 2013 at 5:06 am

    Beautiful and inspiring.

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  127. tam o'shanter June 19, 2013 at 6:02 am

    You’re all mentally ill, and Bonio is deluded.

  128. DONA June 20, 2013 at 1:16 am

    This reply is for Glen and anyone else who might need “evidence.” In Romans 1, Paul said, “what my be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities— his eternal power and divine nature— have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.” He goes on to say, “For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God, nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.” I pray God’s perfect enlightenment for all of us.

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  130. chloe June 21, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    I think your statement ‘9 times out of 10 they end up creating a God that does not exist in the Bible’ is slightly invalid. Surely God is a personal God, his personality in the bible, whilst it being his word, is not set in stone. He is an unpredictable God, besides, think of the hundred different interpretations of the bible, who are you to judge who God is?

  131. John June 24, 2013 at 4:12 am

    Bono got it in one “The idea that the entire course of civilization for over half of the globe could have its fate changed and turned upside-down by a nutcase, for me, that’s farfetched” no need to say anymore.

  132. Nita Doo June 24, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    It is more important when Christ asks us the question (as he asked Peter) “who do you say that I am”. There will be a day when we are face to face with this awesome son of man and Son of God; I think today we need to know the answer before we exit Earth. We will all have to exit Earth through the door of “death” none exempt.

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