No Apologizing

"But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect." 1 Peter 3:15

That’s it….I QUIT!


My wife was perusing the internet tonight and found an interesting article.  Anne Rice has quit her religion, and is moving on, on her own.  To quote the LA times article… “she announced she had quit Christianity “in the name of Christ” because she’d seen too much hypocrisy”.  The article goes on to talk about religion in a  generic sense, and how people are leaving church because they have become disillusioned with the religion in general.  Now, if you know me…you know that I am not a big fan of the LA Times, but I have to admit, with this article…they have hit the nail on the head.  There are a number of great points to take from this article.

25% of people between the ages of 18-29 do not associate with any particular faith. 

This is a startling statistic.  Having seen firsthand the impact of what a secular college can do to a kid with a mind full of mush…I would have thought this number to be much higher.  And perhaps, in reality, it is.  Especially taking into consideration the second point…

Every day, the church is becoming more like the world it allegedly seeks to change.

It is hard being a Christian, isn’t it?  You have to stand out in the crowd, you are an alien in this world, and as a result an outcast.  Just for believing in Christ.  Now take this into combination with the fact that everyone has a natural desire to be liked (well not me, but I love being the alien) and you have a recipe for disaster.  It is easier to blend in, to follow the crowd, and to do what feels good than it is to be ridiculed for your actions, and mocked for your faith.  So what do people do who are not grounded in their faith… go with the flow.  Which leads me to the more controversial point…

Many people who call themselves Christian don’t really believe, deep down, in the tenets of their faith. In other words, their actions reveal their true beliefs.

This I believe is closer to the truth.  It gets to a really tough question…can a Christian truly backslide…or are they (were they) ever truly a Christian?  I do have a personal example to draw from in this sense.  Someone I know, attended church until the age of 18.  Went to college, and began to live a life that was contrary to the Word of God.  So the question becomes… was this person ever a Christian?  This topic alone deserves it’s own post, and possibly it’s own debate.  What is clear is that all three of these points are a call for concern to church leadership from all denominations.

The primary question for me…are we preparing our youth to enter a world bent on getting them to deviate from the Word of God?  The statistics will tell you no!  The world will tell you no, and the actions of these “Christian” youths will tell you no! 

I have decided to throw my hat into the ring of education by helping out with the Sunday School at my church.  I am not sure if I can make a difference with these kids, but if I can help prevent one or two kids from following this path….wouldn’t it be worth it? (BTW…my wife hates this cliché)  I think so.  So then the question becomes…what are you doing to help?

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20 responses to “That’s it….I QUIT!

  1. David Ellis August 11, 2010 at 6:55 pm


    Every day, the church is becoming more like the world it allegedly seeks to change.

    In many respects I’d say that was a good thing. Less homophobia. Less patriarchal attitudes. Less bronze and iron age values.

    • kcbob August 12, 2010 at 5:49 am

      David I am not even sure how to respond to this. This argument against Christianity is a cliche. If you would like to generalize a very large population, then you prove yourself to be arrogant. There is nothing homophobic about disagreement. As a matter of fact you will find nothing on this blog that demonstrates the cliche that you mention in your comments. If you look at the definition of homophobia, you will see that those Christians who practice homophobia, violate the very scripture we quote in our title.

      As for your bronze and iron age values… are these the values you are refering to?
      Do not steal
      Do not lie
      Do not committ adultery
      Do everything in love
      Be honorable in how you do business
      turn the other cheek
      don’t seek revenge
      etc…

      Are these the values you are referring to? Because these are all biblical vaues.

  2. David Ellis August 12, 2010 at 7:01 am


    If you look at the definition of homophobia, you will see that those Christians who practice homophobia, violate the very scripture we quote in our title.

    I would define the scriptures themselves as homophobic (since the condemnation of homosexuality as sinful has no rational basis and is, I strongly suspect, motivated by nothing but human prejudice against those who are different).

    But if you want to say it’s all “hate the sin, love the sinner” then, fine, then it would be nice to see less of the damage done by the religious belief that homosexuality (or homosexual behavior) is a sin and by the subsequent, near inevitable, stigmatizing of homosexuality that results from it.


    As for your bronze and iron age values… are these the values you are refering to?

    No, I’m referring to the stupid ones. Things like gender inequality, the death penalty for witchcraft (still practiced by Christians in some third world countries), no divorce except in the case of adultery (which has left far too many Christian women in lifelong, deeply abusive relationships—something I’ve seen firsthand in the case of several Christians of my acquaintance). It’s absence of condemnation of slavery (what one omits from one’s values is as important as what is included). One could go on and on with the moral stupidities of the Bible. But you have one; I shouldn’t need to tell you about it.

    • kcbob August 12, 2010 at 9:54 am

      Rather than getting goated into a debate about homosexuality and the bible, let me say this: The Bible is not homophobic because it does not advocate for antipathy, violence, hostile behavior, discrimination, aversion, or fear towards anyone. The New Testament is very clear in how to approach sin.

      In regards to the values you claim the bible advocates:

      The Bible does not advocate for gender inequality, rather it specifies roles for each of us to play. Specifically in marriage. Perhaps you should spend some time studying the interpetation of Ephesians 5. Perhaps I could write a post on this…if you would promise to come back and review with an open mind. Slavery is not specifically condemned in the Bible, agreed. However, I would argue that slavery is counter intuitive to the teachings of the New Testament. When the New Testament mentions slavery it does so in a social context. Meaning, that it is addressing issues that are current to the time.

      David it would appear that your arguments are right out of a playbook, and again seem to be more stereotyping of what you have been told. I think that a basic self critical analysis (even if you disagree with the concept of the divine Christ and God) would show you that the Bible does provide answers to these questions. Perhaps if you spent more time evaluating the Word of God honestly, and less time relying on others interpetation… these answers would be provided.

      • David Ellis August 12, 2010 at 3:23 pm

        Please don’t make assumptions about what I have and haven’t read. I studied the Bible more carefully than most Christians.


        The Bible does not advocate for gender inequality, rather it specifies roles for each of us to play.

        Specific roles that are decidedly unequal:

        “For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.” 1 Corinthians 11:9.

        “women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.”1 Corinthians 14:34-5

      • kcbob August 12, 2010 at 4:12 pm

        Please don’t make assumptions about what I have and haven’t read. I studied the Bible more carefully than most Christians.

        And yet you are dismissive of Ephesians 5 specifically after I point it out to you. I will admit, it is rather presumptuous of me to say that you haven’t read the Bible. But you lend credence to that assumption when you give one small snippet of the story. Specifically in this case. you fail to mention Ephesians 5, you fail to mention how a husband and wife become one (from Jesus and Genesis), you fail to mention the story of the woman who committed adultery, you fail to mention the woman at the well, you fail to mention 1 Timothy 5, Galatians 3:28, Colossians 3:19, 1 Peter 3:7, etc… Instead you focus on two verses taken completely out of context of the original letter.

        I would be more than happy to discuss the context of the letter to the Corinthians, if you like.

  3. David Ellis August 12, 2010 at 9:08 am

    And let’s not forget the moral absurdity at the heart of Christianity: that an innocent’s blood must be spilt before any human being can be forgiven for the “crime” of not being morally perfect.

    • kcbob August 12, 2010 at 9:56 am

      Justice is a moral absurdity? That IS the design behind the crucifixtion of Christ. Justice for the laws broken. I don’t consider that absurdity, I consider that GRACE! I thank God everyday for that “moral absurdity”.

      • David Ellis August 12, 2010 at 3:06 pm

        Please explain why God could not simply forgive human beings for being imperfect.

      • kcbob August 12, 2010 at 4:01 pm

        Because God is a perfect judge. In order to be a perfect judge there must be judgment and punishment. Otherwise, what kind of a judge would God be if there were no punishment.

        These comments are what lead me to believe that you have done no independent study of the bible, and that you are simply regurgitating something you have read from someone else. This principle is clearly pointed in the Bible.

  4. David Ellis August 12, 2010 at 9:13 am

    And another: the Bible presents the story of a man willing to perform a human sacrifice as morally praiseworthy rather than what it is: the abdication of decency in favor of blind obedience.

    • kcbob August 12, 2010 at 10:01 am

      I am assuming you are speaking of Abraham? Abraham is really an incredible person. I hope you have had a chance to read what happened to him rather than zeroing in on a specific event. Anyway, is it blind really blind obediance? Abraham knew God. There is nothing blind about that. God had no intention of having Abraham sacrifice his son. NONE!

      And yes, obediance to your father is morally praise worthy. Just ask yours.

      • David Ellis August 12, 2010 at 3:04 pm

        God had no intention of having Abraham sacrifice his son. NONE!

        Irrelevant. Abraham is being praised for agreeing to do an evil deed: performing a human sacrifice.

        Or do you disagree that human sacrifice is evil?

      • kcbob August 12, 2010 at 3:58 pm

        Sure it is evil. I find it odd that you so quickly dismiss the fact that human sacrifice did not happen. The point (or lesson) was for Abraham to obey, not to perform human sacrifice. You cannot dismiss the fact that GOD did not allow it to happen.

  5. David Ellis August 13, 2010 at 7:22 am


    Specifically in this case. you fail to mention Ephesians 5, you fail to mention how a husband and wife become one (from Jesus and Genesis)….

    Which is a quite poetic way to describe the bonds of love between husband and wife. But it does not change the fact that the wife is not regarded as the husbands equal; that she, instead, is explicitly said to be under his authority.

    you fail to mention the story of the woman who committed adultery, you fail to mention the woman at the well…..

    You’re really having to grasp at straws. Neither of those stories advocate gender equality.


    Instead you focus on two verses taken completely out of context of the original letter.

    Feel free to clarify the context if you think it will help (it won’t—those statements mean just what they appear to mean).


    Because God is a perfect judge. In order to be a perfect judge there must be judgment and punishment. Otherwise, what kind of a judge would God be if there were no punishment.

    So of the two following scenarios:

    a) an innocent person is punished horribly before the crimes of others are forgiven

    and:

    b) the crimes of others are simply forgiven because they are sincerely repentant.

    you think scenario A is more just?

    That’s just flat out mad. Religion has stolen your brain.

    • kcbob August 13, 2010 at 1:18 pm

      Just put a post out on the equality of man and woman under God. I hope you listen to the sermon linked to the post.

      The stories are relevant when put into context. Think about this for one second…A woman was about to be stoned for adultry. This in a time when women were truely suffering. Here in this case (and from what I understand) the woman was being stoned, and the man she committed the adultry with was walking away. Jesus, stopped that with the famous let he who is without sin… Equality in justice for all.

      I will begin work on the context of Corinthians as long as you promise to read the analysis with an open mind.

      Not that it is “just”…it is GRACE! Think about it… You are standing in front of a judge for stealing a car. As the judge is ready to pronounce your sentence, someone steps in and says I will take that punishment so that he can go free. At that point the judge turns to you and says…do you accept this offer? It is sacrifice for you. All you have to do is reach out and take it. Justice is punishment for wrong doing. Justice has been served.

      BTW option b works with option a. They are not mutually exclusive.

      That’s just flat out grace. My relationship with God has softened my heart.

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  7. David Ellis August 13, 2010 at 5:56 pm


    At that point the judge turns to you and says…do you accept this offer?

    There’s a reason our legal system does not allow this: justice is not served by punishing innocent people.

    I shouldn’t have to tell you that. And in any other context but the defense of an absurd religious doctrine I wouldn’t have to.

    Conclusion: religion addles minds.

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