Christian Apologetic, and Social Commentary in a world gone mad
So for one of our classes Kevin and I are reading a book called “Legislating Morality”. This book takes a hard look at morality, relative morality, and an absolute moral law given by God. In this book I stumbled across a few quotes that I thought were interesting. The part of the book where these quotes are found focus on the “deity of evolution.” The overarching point is that evolutionists are atheists by nature, thus making evolution and atheism a belief system. Atheist’s strongly argue against this point, however a conclusion must be drawn as to the origin of the universe and man, and atheists (by definition) must accept evolution as the origin of both universe and man.
The Bible of Atheism?
To illustrate this point consider the words of Charles Hodge: “What is Darwinism? It is atheism. This does not mean as before said that Mr. Darwin himself and all who adopt his views are atheists; but it means that his theory is atheistic; that the exclusion of design from nature is…tantamount to atheism”. This is logical and well-reasoned. If you believe in evolution, you deny the creation. If you deny the creation, you deny God. You can deny the logic presented by Hodge, but you cannot deny the direct conclusions of the fathers of Darwinism. They conclude that evolution in and of itself is a deity.
Consider the words of Darwin himself who wrote: “I speak of Natural selection as an active power or deity; but who objects to an author speaking of the attraction of gravity as ruling the movements of the planets?… It is difficult to avoid personifying nature.”
Alfred Wallace stated that “Natural Selection is supreme”. He went on to say “There is a power not only adequate to direct and regulate all the forces at work in living organisms but also the more fundamental forces of the whole material universe”
Thomas Huxley (Darwin’s bulldog) stated: “I can see no reason for doubting that all are coordinate terms of nature’s great progression, from formless to formed, from the inorganic to the organic, from blind force to conscious intellect and will”.
What must be the logical conclusion of the above individuals? God is dead, or more accurately, He never existed. Intellectualism and natural process rule everything. In other words “science” and natural selection are the new deity, the new creator, the new god. According to the premier evolutionist (Darwin), evolution has replaced God.
With atheism and evolution bound to one another we can see that atheists do, in fact, have a god to worship – and worship it, the do. Because not only does it give their own creation narrative it ultimately defines moral values as well.
Consider the following:
Friedrich Nietzsche: “God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, the murderers of all murderers, comfort ourselves?” He answered the question with the following “must not we ourselves become gods simply to seem worthy of it?”
With God (the moral law giver) dead, all absolute moral standards died with him.
Fyodor Dostoevsky stated the following: “If God does not exist, then everything is permitted”. This is quite true.
Consider the following statement: “If nature does not wish that weaker individuals should mate with the stronger, she wishes even less that a superior race should intermingle with an inferior one; because in such cases all her efforts, throughout hundreds of thousands of years, to establish an evolutionary higher stage of being may thus be rendered futile. But preservation goes hand in hand with the inexorable law that it is the strongest and the best who must triumph and that they have the right to endure. He who would live must fight. He who does not wish to fight in this world, where permanent struggle is the law of life, has not the right to exist”.
The above statement fits with the evolutionist ideology. Survival of the fittest, strongest will survive. The author of this text was Adolf Hitler. The Evolutionist/atheistic ideology was the foundation for the genocide of 12 million people. People who were “weak” and needed to be weeded out. With god dead anything is permitable, including genocide. In fact, one could convincingly argue that the theory of evolution is a foundational cause for most all racism today, but that will have to wait for another post.
Atheism is its own religion. Think about it. It has its own story of creation of the universe, and its own set of moral values because of this belief of creation. Are these not characteristics of a religion? These principles are religious in nature. The Bible defines creation, and comes with a set of moral values. In this sense Atheism, is just another religion.
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No Apologizing 
Evolution and Christianity can coexist. You are isolating many Christians here that believe the FACT of evolution and that it was God’s work. Do you deny the fact that antibiotics are lessening in affect due to the evolution of bacteria? Do you believe that the earth is 6,000 years old as well?
You just linked Darwin to Hitler as if there was nothing else in between. Are you forgetting about Martin Luther’s book “On the Jews and Their Lies” – which was a precursor to Nazism?
“but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God’s anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!” -Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
And by the way, Hitler was a Christian.
“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Peace and be safe in this blizzard.
Salinger1976,
Let me take a crack at answering these for Robert. I appreciate your interacting with us on these matters of faith – I guess that’s one thing that’s good about this awful weather!
I am very surprised that you are calling evolution a “FACT” even though the staunchest supporters of it usually only call it a theory (at best). Evolution has not (and I would submit, cannot) be proven as a scientific law.
The facts are that there are large gaps in the evolutionary theory (i.e. there are no strong species to species fossil links – not just for supposed human evolution, but for ANY species to species evolution), and there are quite a few evidences in support of a young earth. For example, the moon is moving away from the earth and according to physics, assuming it’s current rate of “escape” the oldest the earth could be is in the 10’s of thousands of years… Comets have tails that are created by their evaporation/disintegration and the oldest they could be, without having evaporated all the way, would also make the universe tens or even hundreds of thousands of years old… Also, the population growth rates of humans are only possible if we have a young earth… Now, these are greater than the 6,000 – 10,000 year range than most of those who interpret the Bible in a literal sense claim, however, these are the TOP ranges – even 6,000 years fits within the acceptable, logical parameters, whereas the millions to trillions of years needed for evolutionary theory lies well outside of these scientific ranges.
Yes, we can give you the fact that bacteria are becoming more resistant to antibiotics, however, this is not real support for evolution in the sense that you are using it… changes in characteristics within a species is what is called micro-evolution and actually supports the biblical record where God created creatures to reproduce “after their own kind” (cf. Genesis 1). The theory of evolution, proposed by Darwin and his followers, is more accurately called macro-evolution, which entails species to species changes – again, there is just not the fossil records to support that. Now, I will give you that Darwinists have some very impressive charts showing the alleged evolutionary flow of the fossil record, however, if you look closely everywhere macro-evolution is thought to have happened there is a gap in the fossil record (usually delineated by a ? or an * on the chart).
In regards to the link between Hitler and Darwin, the progression is Darwin (1856), Nietzsche (1885), Hitler (who took power in 1933) – Nietzsche and his atheistic philosophies were the actual foundations of the Nazi regime… Martin Luther (1483 – 1546) cannot historically be a link between Darwin and Hitler.
In regards to the clearly wrong (sinful) anti-Semitic thoughts of Martin Luther, these do not invalidate the claims of Jesus or the Bible, because Luther is not the source of the Bible. In other words, Luther misinterpreted certain aspects of the Bible, but He did not write the Bible, thus the Biblical record cannot rightfully or logically be indicted by his misuse. Misusing a source doesn’t make the source wrong… it makes the person misusing the source wrong. Also, we would never claim that any Christian is perfect – we all have our issues/downfalls. Luther had a lot of good to say and did a lot of good in his time… Unfortunately, his thoughts on Jewish people were dead wrong and have contributed to much evil both in his own time and others who tried to endorse evil on the back of his reputation.
Similar logic can be used against Hitler… Just because he tried to hijack “Christianity” or twist scripture for his own nefarious purposes, it does not mean he was actually a Christian. Nor can one make God or the Bible liable for Hitler’s evil deeds any more than they could hold the victim of a stalker responsible if that stalker hurts or even kills other people out of a twisted sense of “love” they have for the object of their affections.
Thanks again for your inquiries – we pray you will stay safe and warm as well.
I’m not even going to go there about evolution. Attempting to explain your strange examples will only take my time and not change your mind. My point was that it is a leap to blame the holocaust on Darwin, especially in light of the evidence of Luther, who in fact (despite the time difference) inspired Hitler. Also my point was that I don’t think that every Christian believes what Hitler and Luther believed, just as Christians should assume that atheists are followers of Nietzsche and Dostoevsky.
With all due respect…
How can you call it a leap to tie Darwin to Nietzsche and Nietzsche to Hitler, and then assert as fact that Luther inspired Hitler? This seems to be contradictory. Historians assert the tie between Nietzsche and Hitler. Some sources show that Hitler issued “Thus Spake Zarathustra” (written by Nietzsche) to his soldiers. I can appreciate how there are similar (reprehensible) themes between Luther and Hitler. However, there is no historical evidence (at least none that I have been able to find) connecting the two.
Nietzsche’s and Dostoevsky’s writings are the direct result of Darwin’s conclusion. They both concluded (as a result of evolution) that if God does not exist there is no moral authority.
I am not saying that I disagree with you. I don’t assume that all atheist’s subscribe to the conclusions of Nietzsche and Dostoevsky. I would argue (from a philosophical level) that it is hard to separate atheism from them because their conclusions are logical conclusions of the belief of atheism….but that’s all it could be is a philosophical debate.
Salinger,
You also said that there are Christians who hold to Darwinian evolution. I cannot dispute that (as what is required to be a Christian is for one to place their faith and trust in Jesus’ sacrifice and resurrection as their only hope for salvation) and we are not trying to alienate them, per se. However, evolution is a central tenant to Secular Humanism and it undercuts biblical reliability and authority… If evolution were true that would erode the confidence one should have in the Bible because it would clearly contain error. Part of the reason Robert and I have confidence in Christ is because we have confidence in the biblical record – it is a logically inconsistent position (in our opinion) to believe evolution and the God of the Bible.
I’m not sure why you call the few examples I listed (and I could have listed more) as strange other than they do not fit with your world-view (Darwinian evolution/Secular Humanism)… The examples I gave come from the world of science that you seem to respect. You are right, you’d have a very difficult time changing my mind, but let me ask you this, what would you accept as evidence, if not scientific examples? I doubted you’d accept biblical explanations, so I provided you with more “natural” ones – I’d certainly be willing to continue discussions with you on either point.
Finally, you mentioned in other comments apparent contradictions you perceived in the Net Testament record… We’d be happy to try answer any of these that are bothersome to you personally, especially if they are holding you back from believing the Bibles claims.
Thanks again for the civil discourse – looking forward to more questions from you in the future.
Hitler’s own words about atheism:
“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith.
We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement,
and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933
It is a fallacy that the Holocaust came as a result of Darwinist thinking. In fact, the Nazi Germans banned writings about Darwinist philosophy. The Lists of Banned Books, 1932-1939 included the banning of:
“Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Häckel).” [translated]
and also:
“All writings that ridicule, belittle or besmirch the Christian religion and its institution, faith in God, or other things that are holy to the healthy sentiments of the Volk.”
What evidence do I have for evolution and an “old earth”? Dinosaurs, fossils, Neanderthals etc. etc. If I was arguing with uneducated people, I would waste time explaining. However, I know you both are intelligent and have at least attempted to analyze the concept of evolution.
Keep in mind that I have been a Christian that believed the Bible as fact. I was confused when encountering the subject of evolution. I know how it feels. To be honest, I am not an atheist, I am agnostic. I have a hard time myself with the “clock without a maker” argument. (This statement gets me hazed equally by atheists and Christians). That is why I believe that spirituality can coexist with evolution. However, I believe if there is a god, he will not punish me for using the brain that he gave me.
Thanks for stopping by. I’ll leave the Hitler thing alone for fear of beating the dead horse to a pulp. The only thing I will say is the connection is more philisophical than anything.
That being said…
I have done some research on evolution. I would like to direct you to This post I did a while back talking about things like the Neanderthal man, and other discoveries that claim to prove evolution. I believe that it requires far more faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in creation (an argument I am sure you have heard before).
Evolution is a fact. Darwin proposed a theory of evolution, which was later proven using the scientific method. Every passing year, with discoveries in space, molecular biology and paleontology, more evidence emerges that continues to prove that fact. Biology, which provides the medicines on which our survival depends, is premised on evolution. To deny evolution is to deny the fundamental way in which organic molecules interact within our bodies and in the world around us, to produce every living thing that we care about and depend on in this world.
As a believer in God, I find it very hard to believe that God would create us with an awesome potential for discovery and scientific study, that bore fruit after the writing of the Bible, only to disallow this God-given knowledge to guide our survival in this world. Our God-given gifts have allowed us to learn how our bodies and the earth works, to such an extent that we can create our own energy, create vaccines to eradicate diseases that killed so many in Jesus’s time, and travel in to space to try and understand the mysteries of our universe. And yet, the knowledge about the workings of the world only addresses a mere fraction of these mysteries. The denial of evolution boxes us in, prevents us from moving forward, from using the brain God gave us to expand our understanding of the gifts He’s put around us. The Bible was written for people of that age, and God made us with the capacity to grow and learn and reason. If we can theorize evolution, find systematic evidence of it, and use this knowledge to develop life-saving medicines and technology, while increasing the awe and wonder we feel for the Creator, how is this wrong? How is it damaging? I don’t believe that it calls all of the tenets of the Bible into question. Those truths about right or wrong don’t change; they are eternal, even if the history of creation written for the understanding of the peoples of that time differs from what we come to understand based on our careful study of the world around us. I don’t believe that God would want us to limit our capacity to understand and survive in our world, when he himself gave us that capacity.
Elizabeth thanks for coming by. I would like you to reconsider your faith in evolution and place your whole faith in God’s infallible Word.
There is no way that evolution has ever been proven by the scientific method. The scientific method consists of the following steps:
1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena. No one has observed macro evolution. No one has seen a monkey become a human. Thus, the evolution that Darwin describes fails on this point.
2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation. Since no one has observed macro evolution, this is where the evolution theory really begins. Darwin formulated a hypothesis without having actually observed it taking place.
3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations. Darwin’s hypothesis now fails another test in that it cannot be used to predict anything and cannot be observed.
4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments. No tests can be done to test evolution, because it cannot be reproduced.
Thus, evolution fails the scientific method on three of the four points.
Elizabeth, I would argue that one cannot earnestly believe in evolution and God at the same time. You cannot serve both masters. Evolution proposes that nature is responsible for creation. The very nature of evolution is that of randomness and chance. There is no God in evolution. Scripturally speaking the Bible simply does not support it. Thus, you deny the very creator you say you believe in.
Think about this for a moment and then pray about it;
1. At what point during the evolutionary process did God breath life into Adam?
2. How does the evolutionary process work with the creation of Eve from Adam’s rib?
There is no doubt that God has blessed us with the ability to think and to choose. Elizabeth don’t be deceived. Evolution is the worship of science itself because it forces you to deny creation. Once you deny creation you deny one of the very things that God is….the Creator. I agree that there are all kinds of mysteries in the world and universe. Is it easier to believe that these mysteries were created by random chance or that the direct hand of God?
The denial of evolution should not box you in. It should free you because then you place ALL of your faith in the God that created the universe. I would urge you to reevaluate your position. Not based on what “intellectuals” want you to believe, but on the Word of the Bible. The Bible was written for all ages, for all people. It is still applicable today as you can find help for any of your circumstances for today in the Bible. DON’T BE FOOLED and lead a stray.
The last thing I will say is this. If the creation account is wrong in the Bible…what else is wrong in the Bible? Who’s to say that account of Jesus’s crucifixion and resurrection is wrong as well?